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leatherhat said:
happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
Sub Saharan Africa has a population of 800 million people. The people of the region are incapable of feeding themselves due to relying on subsistence farming. The lack of resources is a the cause of all the war and disease in these countries. Sub Saharan Africa will have a population of 3 billion people in 2050 at the current birth rate. Figure it out.

So, let me just get this straight, okay? Are you trying to say:

1) The Sub Saharan Africa problem is greater than the Kona problem.

or

2) The problems are already so big why bother.

Honestly, I'm not sure. If it's 1) though, I'm certain it's better to start somewhere and make change happen, then to look at bigger problems and say "we're going nowhere".

If you start small and actually succeed, it's a building block towards a greater movement of change. Think of it that way.

All that war, disease and starvation? That's nature way of telling Africa that there are too god damn many of them. Killing Kony solves nothing- because there's nothing we can solve. Africa will continue to be a shit hole until they hit some critical mass and true hell on Earth breaks out. And stringing them along with "humanitarian" aid just exacerbates the situation. 


You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?



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vlad321 said:
leatherhat said:
happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
Sub Saharan Africa has a population of 800 million people. The people of the region are incapable of feeding themselves due to relying on subsistence farming. The lack of resources is a the cause of all the war and disease in these countries. Sub Saharan Africa will have a population of 3 billion people in 2050 at the current birth rate. Figure it out.

So, let me just get this straight, okay? Are you trying to say:

1) The Sub Saharan Africa problem is greater than the Kona problem.

or

2) The problems are already so big why bother.

Honestly, I'm not sure. If it's 1) though, I'm certain it's better to start somewhere and make change happen, then to look at bigger problems and say "we're going nowhere".

If you start small and actually succeed, it's a building block towards a greater movement of change. Think of it that way.

All that war, disease and starvation? That's nature way of telling Africa that there are too god damn many of them. Killing Kony solves nothing- because there's nothing we can solve. Africa will continue to be a shit hole until they hit some critical mass and true hell on Earth breaks out. And stringing them along with "humanitarian" aid just exacerbates the situation. 


You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?


I'm aware, but they don't know how to use them



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leatherhat said:
vlad321 said:

You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?


I'm aware, but they don't know how to use them

Hence the focus on helping build structures and education, within the activist groups plan and priorities. You gotta start somewhere, so why just say it's all hopeless when there actually is room for improvement, what's the motivation to do that?



happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
vlad321 said:

You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?


I'm aware, but they don't know how to use them

Hence the focus on helping build structures and education, within the activist groups plan and priorities. You gotta start somewhere, so why just say it's all hopeless when there actually is room for improvement, what's the motivation to do that?

We've tried that before. Things were good- then we left/got booted. Now its China's turn, and they are colonizing Africa with great vigor. 



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vlad321 said:
happydolphin said:
vlad321 said:
happydolphin said:
I think it's mostly to put more pressure on the government and make the populace a real element/catalyst of/for change in the global community and regarding global crises.

vlad, you may be right, but this one seems to have actual backing. For example, I got my video off Mike Tyson's facebook feed, that's a big deal.


Lucy Lawless (XENA! WARRIOR PRINCESS!!!) got arrested on some dinghy a few weeks back while doing activist stuff out in the arctic. Admittedly maybe not as big as Tyson, but still, Xena. I havent seen that go and have any relevant effects other than epople just getting worked up and saying "uh... yeah.. that's bad... mkay?"

I can tell you it affected me. I suddenly wanted to do the April 20 thing in Fredericton (the city I live in) so as to create awareness and bring people to action.

If people are like meh, the first start is to get them to say mkay, and then once they say mkay, then maybe they can write mkay in a letter and post it off to a friendly government office.

@hynad Einstein-quote. So true. It's already good that they see the vid, better that they act. I find the video spurred me towards action. What about you guys? Did it have that affect on you all?

@CGW. No problem


I was talkign about the Lucy Lawless incident. Come back to me when you do go out and raise awarness in a significant amount of people. Remember the problems in darfur and how much awarness it had (it was a bunch) and jsut how long and how much effort was put into that? I do love idealistic activists though. Their passion is certainly entertianing.

A better question to all the people who bitched and whined and complained, and linked quotes which they don't quite comprehend, is why they suddenly NOW started to care? He is in hiding. Resources have been put into finding him. Where was all this... passion, back when child abductions were far far more common? Hence, a bunch of ignorant people who all of the sudden, in the best case, try to make up for their ignorance far too little far too late.

Jeez dude, some of us just didn't know! The internet has grown and helped people be aware of problems all over the world. Maybe, just maybe people would care earlier if they had known earlier? 

I really can't understand your way of thinking.



 

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leatherhat said:
happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
vlad321 said:

You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?


I'm aware, but they don't know how to use them

Hence the focus on helping build structures and education, within the activist groups plan and priorities. You gotta start somewhere, so why just say it's all hopeless when there actually is room for improvement, what's the motivation to do that?

We've tried that before. Things were good- then we left/got booted. Now its China's turn, and they are colonizing Africa with great vigor. 

In other words, should we just continue to do nothing and count on our government?

Or, should we do like the video said, stand up and voice for effective change?



happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:
vlad321 said:

You DO realize that Africa has the most natural resources out of any continent, right?


I'm aware, but they don't know how to use them

Hence the focus on helping build structures and education, within the activist groups plan and priorities. You gotta start somewhere, so why just say it's all hopeless when there actually is room for improvement, what's the motivation to do that?

We've tried that before. Things were good- then we left/got booted. Now its China's turn, and they are colonizing Africa with great vigor. 

In other words, should we just continue to do nothing and count on our government?

Or, should we do like the video said, stand up and voice for effective change?

America and Europe have done nation building all over the world. It never works, ever. The only two successes have been Japan and Germany, which were already advanced cultures. So unless you want to perpetually be Africa's caretaker  I suggest you stop worrying about the starving children and start worrying about the guy who just got stabbed a block away in your city. Positive change has to come from within Africa. Just like it has to come from within Haiti, and within Easter Europe, and within the Middle East. 



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leatherhat said:

America and Europe have done nation building all over the world. It never works, ever. The only two successes have been Japan and Germany, which were already advanced cultures. So unless you want to perpetually be Africa's caretaker  I suggest you stop worrying about the starving children and start worrying about the guy who just got stabbed a block away in your city. Positive change has to come from within Africa. Just like it has to come from within Haiti, and within Easter Europe, and within the Middle East. 

It can come from within with the help of without.

The other thing is, it's about a movement of change, from within the global community.

About people getting stabbed across the street, we don't have those here very often. However, if I were to go to the states to help, all you arguments would be applicable to me in that western ambition too. It begs the question: Are those simply excuses for not lending a hand?

I believe so.



happydolphin said:
leatherhat said:

America and Europe have done nation building all over the world. It never works, ever. The only two successes have been Japan and Germany, which were already advanced cultures. So unless you want to perpetually be Africa's caretaker  I suggest you stop worrying about the starving children and start worrying about the guy who just got stabbed a block away in your city. Positive change has to come from within Africa. Just like it has to come from within Haiti, and within Easter Europe, and within the Middle East. 

It can come from within with the help of without.

The other thing is, it's about a movement of change, from within the global community.

About people getting stabbed across the street, we don't have those here very often. However, if I were to go to the states to help, all you arguments would be applicable to me in that western ambition too. It begs the question: Are those simply excuses for not lending a hand?

I believe so.

Its not a movement of change its a movement of white people trying to feel better about themselves. Outside aid only makes them dependent on us. Look at the history of colonization- roads were built, schools were built, hospitals were built. Now they are all gone, and the Chinese are back to try it again.



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