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o_O.Q on 05 December 2011
scottie said:
thismeintiel said:
scottie said:


Haha, I love it. $250 for the 3DS = too high. $280-330 for the PSV (you need a memory card to play some games, inc uncharted) = people will see the value.

 

As for number 2. PSV has a drought. Sony has allowed it already. Sony needs to step up their game by Dec 2012 to end said drought.

You may not like it, but it's true.  If the 3DS had remained $250 against a $250 Vita, there is no question the Vita would have crushed it. 

And drought?  They have 26 games ready for launch, with ~70 more to be ready in the coming months.  How is this a drought?

Haha, sure. No question in your mind.

 

Quantity of games is not what I am refering to. Take the highest selling vita game that has been announced, throw out a name. Any name, your choice.

 

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Nintendogs

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Mario Kart 7

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Super mario 3D

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Smash bros brawl

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Zelda: OoT

That game you just mentioned will be outsold by Monster Hunter 4

 

PSV has a very significant game drought - it has a lot of games that will sell moderately. It does not have any big games. It absolutely needs at least 1 game that can compete with the 6 mentioned above for sales by Christmas 2012. The only franchises that I can see pulling this off are; GT, FF, DQ or GTA. DQ seems likely to stay with Nintendo considering the success of the DS version, so that leaves 3 possibilities.

i think its pretty sad that not having old recycled ips to clash with other old recycled ips from another platform is seen as a bad thing... i thought that gamers were supposed to be eagerly awaiting new ideas?... but sure beyond that i agree that from a sales point of view the games you mentioned are probably bigger than anything the vita will have at launch 



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Slimebeast on 05 December 2011

I dont think Vita is going to be a success. It will not outsell PSP.

So its releasing in 2 weeks in JPN? When is western release?



Solid-Stark on 05 December 2011

If you look at how western games sell on ps3 in Japan, such preorder numbers are not as bad as they seem. The hardware is having good preorder numbers though, so Vita should be fine even before Japanese games start rolling out.



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MasterVG71782 on 05 December 2011
Slimebeast said:
I dont think Vita is going to be a success. It will not outsell PSP.

So its releasing in 2 weeks in JPN? When is western release?

I think it's February 22, 2012 in the US.



scottie on 05 December 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
scottie said:


A search for wii game drought on google produces 738k results. The Wii has 1316 games in the VGChartz databse

A search for ps3 game drought produces 80k results. The PS3 has 823 games

A search for xbox 360 game drought produces 524k results, the 360 has 976 games.

 

It is not simply my claim that drought is unrelated to number of games, it is the claim of the vast majority. We are the 99% - join us, or leave our internet.

i'm really not sure what yyour point is scottie

 

People have claimed the Wii is in a gaming drought for the majority of its life. This is despite the fact that it has, at all times of its life, had significantly higher numbers of games released than its competitors. Thus, thismein cannot be correct in his argument that Vita is not in a drought 'because it has a lot of games'. I am in fact correct in saying that (like the 3DS at launch) it is in a drought because it does not have any high selling games that will push hardware.

 

@ o_O.Q - to a certain extent it is a shame, but that is just the facts. Gaming hardware will be pushed next gen by GT, Mario, Pokemon, Final Fantasy and the like. There is still lots of scope for new IP - Monster Hunter is now a powerhouse and it was only created 2 gens ago. A lot of new IP Wii games ended up selling lots of hardware. Gears became a powerhouse straight away and some of Sony's new franchises could become so if they are treated right.



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KillerMan on 05 December 2011

I really don't see how those pre order numbers are lacking that much?
1. This is launch of console. It silly to expect huge numbers from individual games (Biggest launch game on 3DS did 118k with a lot less competition)
2. There are still two weeks to go before the launch.
3. Vita's launch line up is rather large so sales will be more divided.
4. Vita is first console to have chance to buy games from network which will limit the sales of retail copies.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 06 December 2011
scottie said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
scottie said:


A search for wii game drought on google produces 738k results. The Wii has 1316 games in the VGChartz databse

A search for ps3 game drought produces 80k results. The PS3 has 823 games

A search for xbox 360 game drought produces 524k results, the 360 has 976 games.

 

It is not simply my claim that drought is unrelated to number of games, it is the claim of the vast majority. We are the 99% - join us, or leave our internet.

i'm really not sure what yyour point is scottie

 

People have claimed the Wii is in a gaming drought for the majority of its life. This is despite the fact that it has, at all times of its life, had significantly higher numbers of games released than its competitors. Thus, thismein cannot be correct in his argument that Vita is not in a drought 'because it has a lot of games'. I am in fact correct in saying that (like the 3DS at launch) it is in a drought because it does not have any high selling games that will push hardware.

you shouldn't even bother getting into that kind of conversation and high profile games doesn't mean  the drought isn't there. the Wii has gone very long periods of months without games being released, but i'll say this. while that may be the case it's not like Wii needed any new ip. next time somebody says the Wii went through a drought you remind them what the top 5 biggest selling games are in the 7th gen and how long they continued to sale, and if that doesn't shut them up then................................................... 

also Vita has 80 games coming out during its launch window so i see no drought. the drought will be based only between the time the last game released and how ;ong it takes till the next game is released, and how many games came out before the drought started. for 4 of the 5 yr.'s of the PS3's life, Sonys first party has released 8 to 15 ip in those yr.'s which no other publisher has ever done this gen. i'm not getting a vita because of high profile games. i'm getting one for the possibilities Vita presents and Gravity Rush/daze is the start of those possibilities. i'm likely not to buy one game that i can find its counter part on home consoles.

 

@ o_O.Q - to a certain extent it is a shame, but that is just the facts. Gaming hardware will be pushed next gen by GT, Mario, Pokemon, Final Fantasy and the like. There is still lots of scope for new IP - Monster Hunter is now a powerhouse and it was only created 2 gens ago. A lot of new IP Wii games ended up selling lots of hardware. Gears became a powerhouse straight away and some of Sony's new franchises could become so if they are treated right.

agreed.





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kopstudent89 on 06 December 2011

I think Vita ruined it with the memory cards... and I also don't think there are any must-haves (just like 3DS when it launched). And with the MH series moving to the 3DS, I think the Japanese audience will wait and see what happens with the Vita



kopstudent89 on 06 December 2011
Zlejedi said:
spurgeonryan said:

According to the latest Japan preview article by Jacob Mazel currently on the front page of VGchartz there are no Playstation Vita games at this time with pre-orders over 20,000. He also mentioned, as did a recent thread, that it's launch is a mere two weeks away. What does the number 20,000 mean? Nothing, it is just a number. But the reason I bring it up is because when the 3DS was two weeks away from launching it already had 5 games with over 20,000 pre-orders, again that is coming from Mr. Mazel.

Could this have happened because the PSP is still so popular in Japan right now? This week alone Kamen Rider Climax Heroes Fourza sold around 55,000 copies and we have all seen that it has been strong over there for a while.

I would also like to mention the new Monster hunter game on the 3DS is on that system alone as far as I know. Does that mean Japan will be loyal to the 3DS for now? or is it all just too early to tell?

 

There are a lot of good things coming to the Vita, so I hope the launch goes well! Any one know the Vita's pre-orders? Seece?

what do you all think about this?

Ahh I though for a moment that you have some actual preorder numbers for Japan ;)

But with biggest launch game being Uncharted which sells 100k on few milions big PS3 userbase in Japan and most of Japan oriented stuff being ports from other platform It wouldn't be suprising to see no games selling above 50k on launch week.

Hot shots golf is the biggest PSV game actually (500k ltd on PS3). And thing is, other than FFX remake there ain't a lot of content. I do fully expect that the next FF will be on the PSV!



Icyedge on 06 December 2011
kopstudent89 said:
I think Vita ruined it with the memory cards... and I also don't think there are any must-haves (just like 3DS when it launched). And with the MH series moving to the 3DS, I think the Japanese audience will wait and see what happens with the Vita

Agreed, but they would have earlier ruined it with a 299$ to 349$ SD compatible price point. It looks like they offer the Vita at 249$ because of the high mark up on those cards.