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CGI-Quality said:
Hynad said:
CGI-Quality said:

[...]  (and btw, Uncharted 3 cutscenes are rendered on the engine, not prerendered CGs).


They are video files made with the game's engine, they are not rendered in real time, hence, prerendered.

I didn't say real time, I said they are not CG. They're prerendered using the game's engine, hence "in-engine", not real time.

Fair enough.  Although I did wonder what you were trying to get accross with this, and to whom. That being said, pre-rendered is pre-rendered. Even if they are made "in-engine", they still do those cut-scene in video format because otherwise the system wouldn't handle those cut-scenes at a steady frame rate, or even render most of what is needed (Uncharted series, God of War 3 and Final Fantasy XIII being good examples of that).  I understand that they're taking this approach for uniformity sake, but in the end, they're not really different from regular CGs.  They serve the same purpose.



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osamanobama said:


actually Uncharted 3 took 2 years to complete. and Skyrim took 5.5 years

Can you count?

also what you said, doesnt really boad well for your argument, in fact it proves the opposite.

if it took 5 and a half years for Bethesda to complete a game, riddled with 1000's of bugs, glitches and hiccups, and it only took naughty dog 2 years to finish an extremely polished, graphics intensive game, with little to no bugs, glitches or hiccups; wouldnt that mean Bethesda rushed their game.

what did they spend all their time on if they couldnt release a finished game in over 5 years, yet another deveoper could in 2 years.

Don't pretend you don't know Skyrim has twenty times the content that Uncharted 3 has just because it serves your point.



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PullusPardus said:
o_O.Q said:
PullusPardus said:
by the way i took all these from Phone not a straight screenshot, as you can see they're the same as the "Crappy" photos (like you guys say) that OP has posted.

they really rushed this one, but everyone is praising them.


aren't you the same guy constantly praising skyrim... you know... the game full of bugs and glitches...

for example -> http://www.geek.com/articles/games/skyrim-ps3-save-bug-renders-game-unplayable-20111117/


Yes i am, are you comparing Uncharted to Skyrim?

now do you think it is fair that i say Gran turismo has less glitches than Uncharted? thats what you are doing, comparing a linear scripted small 10 hour game to a massive unscripted huge 100 hour game

now if you want to compare it with something i say Uncharted 2 , which is exactly what i am doing.

Just because it's a sandbox game doesn't mean it's harder to polish. Despite having a large world, nothing much happens in it, nothing on the scale of Uncharted, a few random events happen and NPC's walk around, it's not that hard to make it work.

It may be a good game but you can't defend the glitches that Bethesda's games have, they are easily some of the most unpolished games ever released.

Anyway, enough about Skyrim...



TruckOSaurus said:
osamanobama said:


actually Uncharted 3 took 2 years to complete. and Skyrim took 5.5 years

Can you count?

also what you said, doesnt really boad well for your argument, in fact it proves the opposite.

if it took 5 and a half years for Bethesda to complete a game, riddled with 1000's of bugs, glitches and hiccups, and it only took naughty dog 2 years to finish an extremely polished, graphics intensive game, with little to no bugs, glitches or hiccups; wouldnt that mean Bethesda rushed their game.

what did they spend all their time on if they couldnt release a finished game in over 5 years, yet another deveoper could in 2 years.

Don't pretend you don't know Skyrim has twenty times the content that Uncharted 3 has just because it serves your point.

But its pullus that is claiming Uncharted 3 is a rushed product. Others are just pointing his inconsistency. Neither Skyrim or Uncharted 3 are rushed, obviously. Well, beside Skyrim PS3 version that is lol.



Why are people complaining about style and go on to say it's "technical"? I think Chloe looks better, she looks like a person now, not a doll. I think Elena looks worse, that's all on the artists for not knowing how to model. The "fog" on the bus is what light would look at sunrise filling the bus, if you really want to see what the bus looks like without it watch the cutscene a few minutes before when there's barely any light coming into the bus cause it's in the castle's shadow. Same with Elena and Drake at the airport. E3 takes place in front of the plane when Drake and Sully come off, final game takes place outside of the airport and Drake has no ammo with him..



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brendude13 said:
PullusPardus said:
o_O.Q said:
PullusPardus said:
by the way i took all these from Phone not a straight screenshot, as you can see they're the same as the "Crappy" photos (like you guys say) that OP has posted.

they really rushed this one, but everyone is praising them.


aren't you the same guy constantly praising skyrim... you know... the game full of bugs and glitches...

for example -> http://www.geek.com/articles/games/skyrim-ps3-save-bug-renders-game-unplayable-20111117/


Yes i am, are you comparing Uncharted to Skyrim?

now do you think it is fair that i say Gran turismo has less glitches than Uncharted? thats what you are doing, comparing a linear scripted small 10 hour game to a massive unscripted huge 100 hour game

now if you want to compare it with something i say Uncharted 2 , which is exactly what i am doing.

Just because it's a sandbox game doesn't mean it's harder to polish. Despite having a large world, nothing much happens in it, nothing on the scale of Uncharted, a few random events happen and NPC's walk around, it's not that hard to make it work.

It may be a good game but you can't defend the glitches that Bethesda's games have, they are easily some of the most unpolished games ever released.

Anyway, enough about Skyrim...

It's easy for you to say those things. 

But people have to realize that Bethesda are currently among the only developers doing the kind of games they make.  It's easy to fall into the complaining bandwagon, but I think people have to realize how many systems are running in real time in their games.  Glitches and bugs are hardly ever a good thing, but to diminish the obvious hard work that went into their game because of those little annoyances to serve your agenda is really pushing it.

Uncharted 3 might be jaw dropping and epic, but the action is on a much smaller scale than what is done in Skyrim.  There is a part in Uncharted 3 where there's a crowd. Not a single character in it has any A.I. ...  In Skyrim, every single human you see, you can interact with...  And that's not mentioning the physics involved in both games, for which Uncharted 3's is mostly scripted to serve it's narrative purposes.

There's a lot of examples that can be mentioned that would show you how much things Skyrim does that Uncharted doesn't.  Not because one is better than the other, but because they are 2 completely different kind of games that don't need to focus on the same kind of things.  

Skyrim is a beast, in my book.  And judging by most reviewers opinion, pro critics and players alike, I'm not the only one to think that.



PullusPardus said:
Jay520 said:
@ PullusPardos

Not 'everyone' is praising the game. This obvious exaggeration, your persistent digs at the game, accompanied with your off topic rant about Uncharted's weak plot in a thread about puzzles, lead me to believe you're actively searching for oppurtunities to complain about the game.

I don't know what Uncharted did to you, but I'm sorry


Lol, this is ontopic , i'm talking about it being rushed, like the OP is saying, now offtopic is what happened here

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=137149&page=1#

when i was talking about skyrim then someone who knows himself went on and said "NAUGHTY DOGS ARE GODS!" THAT is offtopic.

by i like Uncharted i enjoyed all the games and when i played them i couldn't leave the controller down, but i think its overrated, especially 3 in its graphics, 2's graphic were polished a lot , so was 1's but 3 is rushed, and the one on Vita looks like it is more polished from as far as we've seen which is a shame for naughty dog.

roflmao you really didn't get it.

Anyway let's get back on topic now.



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@Pullus

Here is the post were you came out of nowhere to take digs at Uncharted..

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4318307



Jay520 said:
@Pullus

Here is the post were you came out of nowhere to take digs at Uncharted..

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4318307


Hes doing exactly what he blamed Wagram of doing with Skyrim, such irony, lol.