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o_O.Q on 13 November 2011

i'm actually more concerned about how much one of these things will cost seperately



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thismeintiel on 13 November 2011
forest-spirit said:
I'm disappointed. If those examples are the best you can come up with you really have to think harder.
In your Smash Bros. example I can only see beginners wanting that feature. Why would a more experienced player need all that info on their controller screen?
I really don't see the benefit from having a lot of info on your screen when playing Smash or Mario Kart either, as it'll only break your concentration if you have to swift focus between the controller screen and the tv.
I truly hope that Nintendo has bigger plans for the WiiU controller than Racing game GPS's or char sheets...otherwise I'm out.
The biggest issue I see is with 4 player local multiplayer Co-op games that makes great use of the tablet screen. That's a fairly limited category though.

This is a bit off-topic perhaps, but the greatest feature of the WiiU controller imo is the ability to make games where one player takes the role as a "Dungeon Master". And if you have two tablets you could make advanced Counter-Op modes in Single player games where a second player takes command of the enemy.

Those were just quick examples I pulled off the top of my head.  But if you are right, and Nintendo has bigger features to implement with the tablet, then that stresses my point even more.  People are not going to want those features gimped just because they play with more than one friend.  And on the flip side, no one is going to want to be the one to play with the old controls, since they won't have those features.

Also, I have other reasons why I feel the Wii U may not be a huge success (most of which have nothing to do with the controller), but those have nothing to do with the controller issue, so don't really belong in this thread.



 

Xxain on 13 November 2011
thismeintiel said:
Xxain said:
Boooooooo! I hate threads like this. You think the user will bring up a legitimate concern and it turns out to be something silly

It may be silly for you, but it may be a legitimate concern for many come launch day.  We will see.



Look at Mario Kart Wii! you think everybody who owns that has 4 Wii wheels? yea right. I only had 1 and me and my 2 brothers didnt care about 1 of us having a slight advantage due to the Wheel.

Cobretti2 on 13 November 2011

I dont see a problem for gamers. because gamers are hardcore. They use online, meaning each will have their own system.. Lan is for kids remember.

I seriously don't know many people who lan on a ps3, most go online for cod and madden to get the full screen benefit.

Nintendo's challenge is to get an awesome online network.



 

 

thismeintiel on 13 November 2011
RolStoppable said:
thismeintiel said:

Yes, I am speaking gamers in genral.  Sure, Nintendo fans will buy it, regardless, but I definitely see this being an issue for gamers in general, as well as the casual crowd.  I can see many are not going to like the idea of using the 6 year old Wii-motes, so basically getting the same gaming experience found on the Wii, while 2 others get the new, full experience with the Wii U tablet controller.  And just imagine the fights kids are going to have over who gets to use the Wii U controllers.

@ Rol

Of course I have played the Wii, and am fully aware of those controller setups.  Now, ask yourself, besides the more core Wii gamers, who played them that way?  I'm going to say very few.  Most, especially casuals and kids, probably used the Wii mote on its side for Smash Bros, and did the same or used the steering wheel peripheral for Mario Kart.  You know, motion controls, the whole draw of the Wii.  And given Nintendo seems to be using the Wii as the basis for the Wii U, i.e. using the same Wii-motes, that's how most games are going to be developed.  Meaning aimed at the more casual gamer.

I am still not sure what exactly you mean. An actual example to explain it in a practical sense wouldn't hurt.

Then you say that the Wii is the basis for the Wii U, meaning that's how the games will developed. As in, the Wii U controller won't be really utilized anyway, so nobody's going to be at a disadvantage, regardless of the controller they use.

When I say the basis, I mean like a starting point.  Of course, I think Nintendo plans to take full advantage of the tablet controller, especially in single-player games, but they are really limiting themselves by using the same old Wii-motes for the other controllers.  This means games will have to be developed around the lowest common denomenator, the Wii-mote, which as I said will gimp the implementation of the actual Wii U tablet in multiplayer games.  And I'm not sure what you need an example of.

The way Nintendo should have approached this was to build the system around a minimum of 2 tablets, with an ulitmate goal of supporting 4.  Instead, it seems Nintendo wanted to get in on the recent tablet craze, as well as get their system out first, so they just threw in minimum support of 1.  Only after much negativity on the internet did Nintendo decide to try and support 2 tablet controllers.  So far, we have no idea if they will pull it off.  And if they do, if it will cause performeance issues, or a drop in graphical ability.  Of course, for my argument, I decided to pretend they have been able to do it.



 

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freebs2 on 13 November 2011

Not every game will have to use the WiiU controller, some kind of games will get a benefit from it, some others won't. When it comes to classic 4-player IPs, those will likely remain TV-centric. Other types of game, like FPS co-op will use the tablet controller or both tablets and wiimotes in asimmetrical gameplay concepts.



dany612 on 13 November 2011

Nintendo is lazy. They better provide a better option than the Wii mote and nunchuk or else they will suffer the fate of consumers seeing it as another Wii. There has to be an update of those motion controls to better resemble the accuracy of the PlayStation Move.



 

        

oniyide on 13 November 2011
dany612 said:
Nintendo is lazy. They better provide a better option than the Wii mote and nunchuk or else they will suffer the fate of consumers seeing it as another Wii. There has to be an update of those motion controls to better resemble the accuracy of the PlayStation Move.


Lazy is a strong word. Complacent? sure, they have motion+ but they dont support the damn thing. I think i can count the motion+ compatible games Ninty made on one hand. While i need at least two for Move or Kinect. And motion+ has been out far longer, its pathetic.



thismeintiel on 13 November 2011
dany612 said:
Nintendo is lazy. They better provide a better option than the Wii mote and nunchuk or else they will suffer the fate of consumers seeing it as another Wii. There has to be an update of those motion controls to better resemble the accuracy of the PlayStation Move.

Actually, that may become a problem.  Not a major one, mind you, but still a problem.  Given the console has a similar look to the Wii, as well as being called Wii U (instead of Wii 2 or an original name), some out of the gaming loop who see it still uses the old Wii-motes may think it is just Wii redesign with a new controller.  The same thing happened to the 3DS when it first launched.  It's similar design to the DS, plus the name 3DS, brought some to believe it was just a redesign of the DS with 3D.  Hopefully, Nintendo will have better launch advertising to get the point across that it is, in fact, a new console.



 

DélioPT on 13 November 2011

I think that the problem in playing with more than 2 controllers is due to the stream of the game on both controllers. If the information, during multiplayer, for example, is kept to a minimum like in SSF4 3D, i doubt that even if 4 Wii U controllers, sharing that amount of data, will strain the console.

The real question only lies on those 4 player games like Mario Kart and SSB, for example, but even than we are supposing that there will be too much data to process given by 4 controllers. Because, if there`s no stream of any kind, it won`t matter if they are playing with this or that controller.