The worst whining about "casual" gamers "ruining" the industry has subsided since the Wii started selling less than the HD consoles. Instead, we now have threads every now and then trying to belittle "hardcore" gamers and their hobby.

Why? Why get hung up on labels and care so much about other people's preferences? Personally, I love good single player experiences as well as cooperative ones and versus play with other players and I still have room for acceptance that others might like different things.

I admit to being something of an asshole when I first joined Vgchartz and I've written some posts that I am ashamed of in hindsight but over the years, the users here have taught me a lot about differences and respect and I'm all the more rich for it. Stop arguing over which booth we can all be stowed in!

I'm a little bit amused and highly confused. Games are games. You may not like singleplayer games, Wii Fit, Halo, Kinectimals, Story-driven games or games lacking any sort of narrative but they are all games. You can whine on the internet, beat your keyboard to death while you rant about what you think they aren't but that won't change anything.
Games are games. Deal with it.

All games are games wether or not the are competitive. Also i pretty much only play games these days for the multi player so i don't have a problem with that statement. Oh wait you just insulted Final Fantasy and Mass Effect, NVM

That's an awful analogy. "Hey you want to play ball?" That alone can refer to a lot.

The Wii is a toy.

It makes perfect sense.

The console is the toy. A game is a game.

You play games with your toy.

Exactly Carl.

Exactly...

The console is as much a toy as a poker table or football pitch or the floor you play Lego on.

This is what a level from Mario Galaxy looked like before toys went digital and mistakenly started to be called games.

This isn't a game, it's a toy.

OP This post is retarded. Casuals don't game avidly and do not love to game. By definition casuals only rarely game and do it to pass the time. Gamers actually love gaming to the point where they might demand depth in their gaming. Gamers enjoy gaming anyway they can get it whether it spans from a casual title to a core title. You've got it all backwards. Three definitions of a toy.

Toy-
1. an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children or others to play with; plaything.
2.
a thing or matter of little or no value or importance; a trifle.
3.
something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious pratical use.

The first definition has nothing to do with anything. The last two represents the casual or non gaming frame of mind rather than the core. I rest my case.