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The biggest problem I have with the protests is that the official 14-point plan is absolutely insane, and looks to of been written by a child with no understanding of economics.

That, and everything I've seen from the movement reeks of "gimme, gimme, gimme. Its YOUR fault and I am blameless!"

You want to reform student loans so that you can let them go bankrupt? Take that up with Barak Obama and the legislature, not Wall Street.



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I know Occupy Philadelphia at least is agitating for an end to Corporate Personhood, which is something i can totally get behind except for the fact that, thanks to the Citizens United case, you'd now need a constitutional amendment to do it, or to re-stack the Supreme Court

Really the supreme court is the only branch of government where assassination could be effective. Not that i at all or ever would advocate assassination as a solution to political problems, but if someone killed all the left-leaning judges during a Republican presidency, or the right-justices during a democratic one, there really wouldn't be a mechanism to stop the court from being completely stacked, would there?



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thranx said:
Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bFJlZDia

How I am not surprised that there biggest problem is theft from fellow protestors.

It's not theft, it's redistribution.



The people protesting honestly can't even agree with each other about what they want. A couple of proposals (if you can call them that, because they're really just anti-capitalist rhetoric like "ending corporate personhood" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean - besides which Congress can't actually overturn a Supreme Court decision, that being the basis of the separation of powers) have support, but others have even this group of staunch (designer-wearing, apple-using) anti-corporatists divided.

Occupy Wall Street comprises about 20,000 people. It claims to represent 99% of the population. How on earth can it do that when less than 0.01% of the population has bothered to show up, and when even these people can't agree about what they want? It honestly reminds me of Soviet communism, not in its proposals, but in its methodology. It's essentially "I am doing what's best for you, so shut up, because I don't care what you think". Hardly a fine symbol of a democratic movement.

But that's not true. They are willing to listen to any opinion that agrees with their own. Any opinion foolish and misguided enough to disagree with the opinions of a bunch of twenty-somethings with no education in economics is that of a brainwashed slave/moron/worst of all, a member of the 1%, one of those foul creatures who eat your babies and kick puppies for fun.

Some of their proposals aren't half bad. Some are completely idiotic (prosecuting CEOs for causing the recession, when they really didn't doa ny such thing). I certainly agree that there should be a cap on campaign donations. The thing is, there's already a cap on campaign donations of $2500. Abolishing donations entirely just means that the richest candidate would be elected. Fun fact: Mr Hero of the People Barack Obama received $540 million in donations to wicked demon John McCain's $380 million. I have trouble understanding how the 1% have a stranglehold on the electoral process when somebody as clearly left-wing as Barack Obama gets enormous amounts of funding and wins.

And that's not even to say that I dislike Obama, just that claiming that any President who fights for the 99% is doomed to eternal failure (even though the 99% hold the vast majority of the country's wealth) is ludicrous.



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badgenome said:
Raze said:
badgenome said:

Well then, take heart, little fella. Doug Schoen polled some OWS protesters and found that one-third of them are as in favor of using violence as you are.

=D Little fella? I was born in the 70s and I'm over 6'2

Let me clarify, I'm saying that peaceful protests accomplish nothing, especially when you're yelling at a bunch of mostly-soundproofed buildings.

 

Yes, you called for violence and/or the threat of violence. I think we're pretty clear on that. My mistake on your age. Based on your infantile view of how the world works, I was hoping you were about half my age, not older than me.

It's fairly hilarious that you blame all this on some mythical deregulation when the regulatory apparatus is larger than ever. It grew by almost70% both in terms of budget and number of employees under Bush alone. If there is a regulatory problem, it's from bad regulation or inept enforcement, not from too little. However, the real culprit here has been the federal government pushing for home ownership by people who simply couldn't afford to own homes with initiatives like the Community Reinvestment Act, and the federal reserve under Greenspan pushing the interest rate to historic lows to compensate for the bursting tech bubble. So the government strongarms banks to lend money to people who weren't good for it, and then when the accumulation of debt at all levels of the economy causes a collapse, the same assholes who insisted that banks loan to these people to begin with start shrieking about "predatory lending". I know it's all very convenient to blame this on some amorphous "greed", and that makes a great topic for lame little punk song, but the whole situation is yet another example of the road to economic hell being paved with good intentions.

Well if we're going to judge maturity on words here, then you clearly show how green you are behind the ears. Apparently you know quite less about the situation going on, having not viewed the larger picture of regulation from the Ford administration onwards, nevermind the "wonderful" times of Reganomics. But it's to be expected,so many love to jump to conclusions based on a half-knowledge. Continue this, you'll be swept up in the viscious tide coming all the same. I don't know you from Adam, soit doesn't matter to me either way.  The housing fiasco is only one element of this, the  ice underneath had been cracking far longer.  But again, it's that half knowledge which brings you to a very broad over-generalization of the problem at hand. What further seals your fate of immaturity is an attempted, but lacking personal jab to wrap up your response. It simply discredits any merit your point had.



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Kantor said:

The people protesting honestly can't even agree with each other about what they want. A couple of proposals (if you can call them that, because they're really just anti-capitalist rhetoric like "ending corporate personhood" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean - besides which Congress can't actually overturn a Supreme Court decision, that being the basis of the separation of powers) have support, but others have even this group of staunch (designer-wearing, apple-using) anti-corporatists divided.

Occupy Wall Street comprises about 20,000 people. It claims to represent 99% of the population. How on earth can it do that when less than 0.01% of the population has bothered to show up, and when even these people can't agree about what they want? It honestly reminds me of Soviet communism, not in its proposals, but in its methodology. It's essentially "I am doing what's best for you, so shut up, because I don't care what you think". Hardly a fine symbol of a democratic movement.

But that's not true. They are willing to listen to any opinion that agrees with their own. Any opinion foolish and misguided enough to disagree with the opinions of a bunch of twenty-somethings with no education in economics is that of a brainwashed slave/moron/worst of all, a member of the 1%, one of those foul creatures who eat your babies and kick puppies for fun.

Some of their proposals aren't half bad. Some are completely idiotic (prosecuting CEOs for causing the recession, when they really didn't doa ny such thing). I certainly agree that there should be a cap on campaign donations. The thing is, there's already a cap on campaign donations of $2500. Abolishing donations entirely just means that the richest candidate would be elected. Fun fact: Mr Hero of the People Barack Obama received $540 million in donations to wicked demon John McCain's $380 million. I have trouble understanding how the 1% have a stranglehold on the electoral process when somebody as clearly left-wing as Barack Obama gets enormous amounts of funding and wins.

And that's not even to say that I dislike Obama, just that claiming that any President who fights for the 99% is doomed to eternal failure (even though the 99% hold the vast majority of the country's wealth) is ludicrous.

I think the 99% refers to 1% of the population in America holds 99% of the wealth.

Although if you compare it to the global population, if someone makes more then 50k a year they're in the top 1% relative to the world. Basically people in NA have it really well, and they're complaining about the system that got them to be so well off. Makes no sense. 



badgenome said:
thranx said:
Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bFJlZDia

How I am not surprised that there biggest problem is theft from fellow protestors.

It's not theft, it's redistribution.

WIN!!!!!!!

And I thought all these protesters were just poor, down on their luck young folks with genuine concerns about the economy and the jobs market... so how exactly are they able to afford a $5,500(!) Mac?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

thranx said:
Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK#ixzz1bFJlZDia

How I am not surprised that there biggest problem is theft from fellow protestors.

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Raze said:

Well if we're going to judge maturity on words here, then you clearly show how green you are behind the ears. Apparently you know quite less about the situation going on, having not viewed the larger picture of regulation from the Ford administration onwards, nevermind the "wonderful" times of Reganomics. But it's to be expected,so many love to jump to conclusions based on a half-knowledge. Continue this, you'll be swept up in the viscious tide coming all the same. I don't know you from Adam, soit doesn't matter to me either way.  The housing fiasco is only one element of this, the  ice underneath had been cracking far longer.  But again, it's that half knowledge which brings you to a very broad over-generalization of the problem at hand. What further seals your fate of immaturity is an attempted, but lacking personal jab to wrap up your response. It simply discredits any merit your point had.

Way to offer specific examples. If I am operating on a "half-knowledge" (whatever that is), I am forced to conclude that you are operating on none whatsoever.



NightDragon83 said:

WIN!!!!!!!

And I thought all these protesters were just poor, down on their luck young folks with genuine concerns about the economy and the jobs market... so how exactly are they able to afford a $5,500(!) Mac?

Seems a bit high, yeah. Either she was adjusting its value to her post-revolutionary society and its $20/hour minimum wage, or she's a stupid twat who has no concept of a dollar because her parents buy everything for her. Since she's occupying teh Wall Streetz, I'm guessing the latter.