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PoundHound said:
This is a great thread to quote Sam Harris. If this had been the first response then the next 12 pages would have been completely irrelevant. Take it away Sam:

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”

Yes we do. We call them 'sane'.



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NobleTeam360 said:
Runa216 said:
God is a metaphor, nothing more. I don't believe in anything that doesn't have substantial evidence supporting it. God, as a collective theory, is just too convenient to believe. I go with science. I don't fill in the blanks with fictional omnipotent beings just so I can feel good and trick myself into believing there's more than this life.

I hate religion because not only does it HAVE these irrational beliefs, but history is littered with examples of people pushing these irrational beliefs without good reason.

I maintain that if people could PROVE god was real, prove THEIR god was real, and prove their interpretations of their God are accurate, I'd drop the whole issue.

Why would God reveal himself to the simple mindness of Humanity? To be honest i do belive in God, and yet everyday i wonder why humans are so foolish and self centered? Maybe you know why? Also it makes me wonder why did he create humaninty in the first place sense all we do is leave a trail of destruction. 

Alternatively, if there isn't a god, then we just developed into the fundamentally flawed beings we are.

If there is a god, just what sort of off day was he having when he created us? Suggests god isn't the perfect being religions make him/her out to be



chocoloco said:
Too many religions to think one group has got it right while the rest of the world got it wrong.

Too big of a question and one I have answered more than enough on here.

Humans like to believe we are more important than we are that is why we rape everything, make it our own and tell others they are wrong and that there is only one way. We are just an arrogant and overly intelligent species with great imaginations.


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Runa216 said:
chocoloco said:
Too many religions to think one group has got it right while the rest of the world got it wrong.

Too big of a question and one I have answered more than enough on here.

Humans like to believe we are more important than we are that is why we rape everything, make it our own and tell others they are wrong and that there is only one way. We are just an arrogant and overly intelligent species with great imaginations.


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Sure send me a request and sincer you gave a reason I will certainly accept. I have many reasons I don't believe, but this is the general summary of why.



Runa216 said:
chocoloco said:
Too many religions to think one group has got it right while the rest of the world got it wrong.

Too big of a question and one I have answered more than enough on here.

Humans like to believe we are more important than we are that is why we rape everything, make it our own and tell others they are wrong and that there is only one way. We are just an arrogant and overly intelligent species with great imaginations.


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Get a room!



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I just choose not to believe in anything / follow anything. I hated to go to church when I was younger, and I still hate it when I go with a friend out of respect (usually on vacation). I'm actually happier being an "atheist". I do not have to conform to anything or listen to someone (a priest in my case) to tell me how I should live my life.



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zarx said:

"The basic concepts of Pantheism comprise:

Reverence for Nature and the wider Universe.

not wider universe,just the universe whatever it is and urself

Active respect and care for the rights of all humans and other living beings.

Celebration or our lives in our bodies on this beautiful earth as a joy and a privilege.

its not about caring about others but urself

for example retaliation to an attack from a foolish person would only people you turning into the same thing you were fighting aginst

if you think of urself and right way you can satisfy urself,you will itself not dissatisfy anybody else which will never bring war or the feeling of hurting another one

Realism - acceptance that the external world exists independently of human consciousness or perception.

yes but different people perceive it differently

Strong naturalism, without belief in supernatural realms, afterlives, beings or forces.

afterlife not in the same realm and as we perceive in as humans but a different realm

Respect for reason, evidence and the scientific method as our best ways of understanding nature and the Universe.

Promotion of religious tolerance, freedom of religion and complete separation of state and religion."

if you only concern urslef then relgious tolerance will be very easy

its not about freedom religion but freedom of the way most people think of religion

 

 

Everything else is basically humanisim which is not a religion, hell Panthiesim is barely a religion it's self.

pantheim is not a relgion it denotes the type of religion and don't mix ignorant thinking of GOD=relgion

deism - atheism

theism - abrahamic relgion

pantheism - Buddhism

 

Religion defined for clarity as 


1. A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

religon is about an ethical way of living

its not for any cause or purpose,yeah many people think of it and talk about supremacy but they really haven't read their relgious book

2. A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

the teaching and its meaning is all the same,a moral way of life.

the start and end is whats twisted.

also many religious folks blindly follow religion as they think whatever written in the book will happen continuously again and again when some of the things are jst related to a specific time regarding and start and end of the world

And the world does make sense it's all cause and effect, it's not fair or ordered and full of things that we have no control of.

we might not have control over all things but we do on some as its that exchange where we cause something.

That in no way makes me weak and I don't see how it would. And I especially don't see how identifying myself as a Panthiest would change that or make me weaker or stronger.

i am speaking in long term and metaphorical sense here

for example:men in todays world if they show emotions are considered weak,which is the wrong things as jst being urself is known as weak and we follow this stereotype set in the society.so to attach yuorself to this world and express urself is considered weak.but a time comes when people know that they were blind and not enjoying what life was meant to be

Only a weak person would feel then need for religion to feel strong.

after so much and you still think relgion is locked to theistic beliefs?

also if a person is athiest he would not follow the moral code as karma doesn't effect the

even then most atheist follow the moral code which is a pantheist way of life not an atheistic

 

if somebody were really a true atheist then they would not life to be attached to this world,relations,society



miz1q2w3e said:
snakenobi said:
Rath said:
There is no real evidence of anything supernatural having ever happened. Therefore I don't believe in anything supernatural, which makes me an atheist.


religion isn't about supernatural things happening,not all are atleast

 

anything supernatural happening will disturb the perfectness of this world

 

This world isn't "perfect"

yes it is

if you weren't so crazy about nitpicking and tried to understand you would know



Neither ignorant nor a hater.

The basic principle of science is that you do not accept something until there is proof, evidence, or some huge reason to believe it is true. We can also add Occam's razor - the simplest answer is preferable.

I have read the Christian origin story, and I have read papers about the big bang. I find the presence of cosmic microwave background radiation to be a sufficient indication that the big bang theory is correct (not necessarily perfect in every detail). That does not exclude the possibility that God caused the Big bang, but that adds nothing, and violates Occam's Razor.

I have also compared the Christian origin story to the works of leading biologists. I have read the origin of species, and a few papers such as this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment, and, whilst I really don't understand biology anywhere near as well as physics, I have found their arguments convincing. Evolution of short lived micro-organisms has been demonstrated to my satisfaction, and we have a pretty solid chain of links between us and monkeys. Again, God could have created the world such that this would happen, but Occam's Razor.

I also don't find the bible to be particularly useful as a moral guide. I don't feel the need to feel guilty because I am bisexual, I don't think we should murder witches, heathens, or any of the other stuff that is in the old testament.

So that's covered two of the three reasons that people throughout history have believed in religions - to explain what they couldn't understand, and as a way to get a consistent set of rules for a society. The third reason is the fear of the end - the knowledge that when you die, there will be nothing, just blackness. You will cease to exist. When I was younger, I felt that fear, I felt its paralysing grasp. As I aged, I came to a conclusion. If my existence is so fleeting, then I should make use of it - I should contribute something to the world, and I should enjoy myself. I could do neither of those if I spent my time in church, or feeling guilty about some imaginary and arbitrary transgression.



RolStoppable said:
snakenobi said:

there are religion which don't offer anything

they are just like atheist thinking of life is a gift and do everything yourself thinking

 

most people who say they are atheist lack knowledge and think all religion are the same about heaven and hell.

But I am not one of those. I know that there are differences between various religions, but what reason is there to subscribe to the beliefs of any one of those? There really is none aside from the desire to be part of a larger group of people and be considered "normal" by society standards.

nobody is telling you to subscribe to anything

 

pantheism and eastern relgions aren't about going to church for forgiveness or invetment(as you called in before)

 

most athiest follow a maral way of life but if you do then you aren't an athiest as you would not be living morally if you thought live would end at death and there is no karma.

pantheism is about that only that you live a moral way of life which is the same thing said in all relegions.buddhism isn't about subscribing but its jst principals that we already have in our lives.

people panic as they think we have to live this way of we will have karma or hell.if you jst standback and notice life a bit,we are already living a moral life so people don't have to panic jst be what they are already