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HappySqurriel said:
chocoloco said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:

In this case i'd say it often requires more knowledge of business and economics trends than you might expect people to have. Like someone who, right now, is banking on a supplemental income of Saturday work at the Post Office, or just the US Postal Service in general, would be pretty dumb, but what about someone working for RIM? Who could have foreseen the fall of the Blackberry?


One member of my team (works in QA) left RIM and returned "home" to Calgary because she saw that the company was heading in the wrong direction 18 months ago ...

Personally, I have found that in most businesses the average worker has a pretty good feel for if the company is moving in the right direction or not

Tell that to the half retarded janitor.


I don't think you would find many people (of any political stripe) that would have a problem with supporting people with mental disabilities. At the same time, very few people would suggest that people with mental disabilities represent a significantly large portion of the population who are unemployed or underemployed. 

It sounds like your saying a small minority does not matter. Under that logic we should not be concerned about the super rich and be concerned with the masses of less privliged people. Consequently, suggesting they deserve more taxes and the wealth should be distributed more equally to the masses.



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HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

Its easy to say this on paper, but when youre working a manufacturing job with 20+ years of service, at the age of 40, a family at home, bills to pay, health insurance to hold onto acting like you can just google trending jobs, put all of that on hold and change who you are to join a different industry is pretty ludicrous in reality.

There are more factors than just "recognizing a decline in a specific industry" Lives, bills, education, mortgages not mention the countless supervisors and executives who all the while are negotiating deals to export jobs are calling meetings to assure their employees they are fine. Sure, its "possible" a lot of things are "possible" the same way i could meet Scarlet Johanson and she falls in love with me, that doesnt mean i should hold out until i die because theres that possibility in my life. The same way i could play teh lotto every week to become rich, theres a possibility of winning but is it worth spending that money when i could use it for gas or groceries? Theres plausible based on variables and then theres possibility.....life is about plausability based on variables rather than the word "possible" without quantitative substantiation.

Who is to say by the time you go back to school graduate the markets have not changed, the economic landscape is completely different.

Granted, i know my dad could have held onto his job at Sauders Woodworking....all he would have had to do after devoting 23 years to them was pick up his family move to some tiny foreign country and accept 1/8th of his current wage. Shame on him for not having the foresight. 

I am by no means saying it makes no difference, a persons actions, but I hate how people like Herman Cain point to themselves, or the single token ghetto millionaire, rags to riches story and use it to keep a big huge hand holding down everyone else and point to the exception and say "see nothing wrong with this picture because THAT GUY made it!"



steverhcp02 said:
HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

 I am by no means saying it makes no difference, a persons actions, but I hate how people like Herman Cain point to themselves, or the single token ghetto millionaire, rags to riches story and use it to keep a big huge hand holding down everyone else and point to the exception and say "see nothing wrong with this picture because THAT GUY made it!"


This would only be true if there was a huge hand holding everyone else down.

There isn't...

Though if you think there is, that's sure going to hurt your chances for success.

The more successful people there are, the better the economy is, and the better things are for other rich people.  So no particular group is going to try and "hold you down" unless your directly infringing on their marketshare... and even then, chances are your already going to be pretty successful by the time they get to you.  Wealth isn't a zero sum game.

It's tough to be successful, but those are obstacles... not a hand holding you down from anyone particularly trying to make you fail.  There isn't a giant consious conspiracy.



Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Remember, the premise is, "if you aren't rich, it is your fault".  So, the ONLY reason why someone isn't rich, is because of government?

Is some fleetingly small, basically negligible percentage of the population in dire straits despite having made all the right decisions because of sheer bad luck? Sure, maybe 0.001% of people are. But unless you're actively being held down by an unjust system as Luther Cain was, then yeah, if you want to see who's to blame for your failed life, odds are pretty good that you can catch a glimspe of the bastard in a mirror.

And even if we do pretend that people don't ultimately make the decisions that govern their own lives and give a pass to every inner city child of a broken home who's mired in a culture of failure and victimhood, the overeducated Wall-nuts banging on about the student loan debts that they agreed to assume are deserving of not one bit of sympathy or any other emotion, save contempt.

 Oftentimes people bet on a sure thing, and suddenly conditions change in a way no-one could have foreseen.

I wouldn't say "no one" people have predicted everything, even the most ridiculious stuff....

even so, I don't see how that's not someones fault.

You thought something was a sure bet, you bet on it... it wasn't.

Maybe the problem just comes from a disconnect on how people are raised.  

Me, I was always taught that when something bad happens as a choice of your actions, you were wrong.  Any justification as to why you weren't wrong, is just an excuse, and the only thing to do is admit your fault and not make the same mistake twice.

 

Shit though, even among the "sure thing" goes wrong, there are people who succeed and who don't.  For example, when GM suddenly took a huge hit to their benefits and pensions... there were suddenly a lot of people who were scerwed... beause they planned on their pension. 

Then there were other people who weren't scrwed, and while they planned on their pensions, they saved a little on the side as well... and they're doing fine.

Really, seems more like people focusing too much on consumption and not enough on practicality in cases like Allentown.  30 Years working at the same job and they didn't have a "rainy day" fund?  I mean if there is one thing you should take with you in life, it's that there is no thing as a 100% sure thing.



I mean... is it my fault I'm not rich?

Hell yeah it is.

I can name about 8 big things at least I did that made sure I wasn't rich or in a position to be rich right now. Why, because I don't really care about being rich, and the stuff I got in return was worth way more to me.

Given the choice between being say.... me or Michael Jordan. I'd rather be me any day of the week, Michael Jordan has some nasty demons in that head of his. (Not that i was going to be a pro ball player or anything.)

I don't think it's hard most anyone who's honest to themselves to say "I could of been far more successful but instead I did this."



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Mr Khan said:

Larger forces are at work more often than you would assume. Take the Billy Joel song "Allentown" as an example, what of the person who, say, got married 30 years ago, got a loan and a house with kids all predicated on his steady paycheck at the steel mill, then the whole thing goes to pot and suddenly no jobs in steel exist in the USA? Oftentimes people bet on a sure thing, and suddenly conditions change in a way no-one could have foreseen.

Though i'll agree with your assessment of "the other 99." There are a hell of a lot of socialist reforms that we should mandate, but relief for yuppie college kids who are too lazy to leverage their bachelor's degree into a generic middle management position (even if only as a holdover while they continue to pursue something relevant to their major) should not form the locus of social action

I don't think anyone who has lived through globalization could fail to notice how often things seem to shift "without warning" (although there usually is plenty of warning), and I'm not saying that it's not sad if someone is counting on a pension program or whatever only to end up getting hosed (it is sad, and in more ways than one), but if you're so credulous as to believe everything you're told in spite of mountains of evidence to the contrary or you're so complacent that you don't bother to plan ahead just in case that "sure thing" doesn't pan out, then you're not exactly without fault.



chocoloco said:

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I like your Herman Cain. He'd make a good VP with your Ron Paul against Obama. Although "President Cain" has a badass ring to it.



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