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Every person is able to steal in some way so I agree.



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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Remember, the premise is, "if you aren't rich, it is your fault".  So, the ONLY reason why someone isn't rich, is because of government?

Is some fleetingly small, basically negligible percentage of the population in dire straits despite having made all the right decisions because of sheer bad luck? Sure, maybe 0.001% of people are. But unless you're actively being held down by an unjust system as Luther Cain was, then yeah, if you want to see who's to blame for your failed life, odds are pretty good that you can catch a glimspe of the bastard in a mirror.

And even if we do pretend that people don't ultimately make the decisions that govern their own lives and give a pass to every inner city child of a broken home who's mired in a culture of failure and victimhood, the overeducated Wall-nuts banging on about the student loan debts that they agreed to assume are deserving of not one bit of sympathy or any other emotion, save contempt.

Larger forces are at work more often than you would assume. Take the Billy Joel song "Allentown" as an example, what of the person who, say, got married 30 years ago, got a loan and a house with kids all predicated on his steady paycheck at the steel mill, then the whole thing goes to pot and suddenly no jobs in steel exist in the USA? Oftentimes people bet on a sure thing, and suddenly conditions change in a way no-one could have foreseen.

Though i'll agree with your assessment of "the other 99." There are a hell of a lot of socialist reforms that we should mandate, but relief for yuppie college kids who are too lazy to leverage their bachelor's degree into a generic middle management position (even if only as a holdover while they continue to pursue something relevant to their major) should not form the locus of social action



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

While you can argue endlessly over whether it is "fair" or not, acquiring wealth follows rational patterns; and the factors which determine the wealth you can accumulate are primarily within your own control. Unfortunately, most people see the sacrifices and decisions individuals made to get to where they are; and therefore do not realize that the sacrifices they find unacceptable are what is holding them back from their success.

As an example of this, you talk to almost any software developer in the world and they will have a story about how they thought of one of these billion-dollar websites/web-applications at about the same time as their founder did. Of those, somewhere in the range of 99% of them didn't put a effort into creating a similar service, and around 99% of those who remain only put in a token effort and gave up when it became hard or when their life demanded their time. Of the 1 in 10,000 people who actually put in a serious effort, if they repeat this effort even after they fail, they will eventually find success.



It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...



 

        

dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...



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HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

In this case i'd say it often requires more knowledge of business and economics trends than you might expect people to have. Like someone who, right now, is banking on a supplemental income of Saturday work at the Post Office, or just the US Postal Service in general, would be pretty dumb, but what about someone working for RIM? Who could have foreseen the fall of the Blackberry?



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...

If anyone is alienating people, it's Obama.  A recent poll showed that a no-named Rep. would win against him if the election was held today.  Heck, even some of the Dems in the Senate don't really want to vote/pass his "new" jobs bill.  They knows a yes vote on that is most likely going to mean they will be replaced in 2012 unless they are in the darkest of blue states.



Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

In this case i'd say it often requires more knowledge of business and economics trends than you might expect people to have. Like someone who, right now, is banking on a supplemental income of Saturday work at the Post Office, or just the US Postal Service in general, would be pretty dumb, but what about someone working for RIM? Who could have foreseen the fall of the Blackberry?


One member of my team (works in QA) left RIM and returned "home" to Calgary because she saw that the company was heading in the wrong direction 18 months ago ...

Personally, I have found that in most businesses the average worker has a pretty good feel for if the company is moving in the right direction or not



HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

In this case i'd say it often requires more knowledge of business and economics trends than you might expect people to have. Like someone who, right now, is banking on a supplemental income of Saturday work at the Post Office, or just the US Postal Service in general, would be pretty dumb, but what about someone working for RIM? Who could have foreseen the fall of the Blackberry?


One member of my team (works in QA) left RIM and returned "home" to Calgary because she saw that the company was heading in the wrong direction 18 months ago ...

Personally, I have found that in most businesses the average worker has a pretty good feel for if the company is moving in the right direction or not

Tell that to the half retarded janitor.



chocoloco said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
dany612 said:
It baffles me how the GOP Greed Over People party continue to alienate everyone but the rich. Let's blame the unemployed. It's their fault that greedy corporations layoff people just so they can increase their profits! Some people work so hard to get a degree, Then they work in a company but suddenly they are laid off. How is that their fault? So much for creating jobs...


Are you implying that a company lays people off entirely at random and doesn't take factors you're in control of into consideration?

Are you suggesting that an individual can not recognize when the company or industry they're working in is in decline and make rational decisions to change careers before they're laid off?

 

It is one thing to be empathetic or sympathetic to individuals because they made decisions that worked out poorly for them, it is another thing altogether to claim that they had no control over their outcomes ...

In this case i'd say it often requires more knowledge of business and economics trends than you might expect people to have. Like someone who, right now, is banking on a supplemental income of Saturday work at the Post Office, or just the US Postal Service in general, would be pretty dumb, but what about someone working for RIM? Who could have foreseen the fall of the Blackberry?


One member of my team (works in QA) left RIM and returned "home" to Calgary because she saw that the company was heading in the wrong direction 18 months ago ...

Personally, I have found that in most businesses the average worker has a pretty good feel for if the company is moving in the right direction or not

Tell that to the half retarded janitor.


I don't think you would find many people (of any political stripe) that would have a problem with supporting people with mental disabilities. At the same time, very few people would suggest that people with mental disabilities represent a significantly large portion of the population who are unemployed or underemployed.