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Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:

Not really, but I see the 3DS and Wii as acompletly different systems. 3DS is 3D, Wii is Wii-mote. Also Nintendo handheld games are typically very different from console games.

Sony is marketing the PSV as a handheld with close to PS3 graphics, and from what I'm seeing the type of games are the same.


wrong

first off we haven't seen any marketing for the device. secondly the only thign we have are the trailers and such made for it and PR for the sw/hw. They always emphasize on various things and graphics are not the most talked about feature. Things like AR/social connectivity/new unique gameplay mehcanics (via rear touch pad) are talked about the most.

as for the games, I suggest you look up the line up. it has something for everyone with a vast range of games/types of games. It's not all Uncharted or Resistance

Well at E3, Sony was describing the PSV as a handheld with close to PS3 graphics.

As for games, the big ones I see are Uncharted, LBP, Mod Nation Racers, Disgaea, Killzone, Mortal Kombat, Resistance, and a few multiconsole titles like Fifa, F1, Strret fighter x Tekken, etc. Just waiting on the JRPG's.

Just a thought, wanted to know what people think.

Did PSP affect PS2 sales in Japan?


they did mention it and they are right. especially since it's a smaller screen the graphics displayed are comparable to the current HD consoles. BUT it's not the point that they address mainly and it has been evident in the past months, time after time they take the opportunity to highlight other features of the device ESPECIALLY the social networking aspect. Even on their game demoes they try and show how to use the new controls in the game rather than the graphical level.

and like I said, there's something for everyone and that's a rather limited list of games you have heard of. there are quite a few new IP's announced for the device already with gameplay and such to boot. Sony has done a great job in showcasing all sides of their game line up..when they show/talk of Golden Abyss they also take the chance to talk of Ruin/Gravity/sound shapes etc/. when they talk of Burning skies they also talk of Escape Plan. the line up's huge and it keeps getting more diverse with announcements like Persona, Lil Kings story sequel etc every week. So it's just a matter of knowing the line up better

so yeah..different markets. not gonna be a problem



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Michael-5 said:
scottie said:
 


Did the PSP's launch have an effect on PS2's sales?

I just asked that. Did it? Maybe not worldwide, but I specifically want to know for Japan.


Ahh, the reason I asked it as a question was because its time consuming nowadays to find out.



scottie said:
Michael-5 said:
scottie said:
 


Did the PSP's launch have an effect on PS2's sales?

I just asked that. Did it? Maybe not worldwide, but I specifically want to know for Japan.


Ahh, the reason I asked it as a question was because its time consuming nowadays to find out.

Same here...



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:

Well at E3, Sony was describing the PSV as a handheld with close to PS3 graphics.

As for games, the big ones I see are Uncharted, LBP, Mod Nation Racers, Disgaea, Killzone, Mortal Kombat, Resistance, and a few multiconsole titles like Fifa, F1, Strret fighter x Tekken, etc. Just waiting on the JRPG's.

Just a thought, wanted to know what people think.

Did PSP affect PS2 sales in Japan?


they did mention it and they are right. especially since it's a smaller screen the graphics displayed are comparable to the current HD consoles. BUT it's not the point that they address mainly and it has been evident in the past months, time after time they take the opportunity to highlight other features of the device ESPECIALLY the social networking aspect. Even on their game demoes they try and show how to use the new controls in the game rather than the graphical level.

and like I said, there's something for everyone and that's a rather limited list of games you have heard of. there are quite a few new IP's announced for the device already with gameplay and such to boot. Sony has done a great job in showcasing all sides of their game line up..when they show/talk of Golden Abyss they also take the chance to talk of Ruin/Gravity/sound shapes etc/. when they talk of Burning skies they also talk of Escape Plan. the line up's huge and it keeps getting more diverse with announcements like Persona, Lil Kings story sequel etc every week. So it's just a matter of knowing the line up better

so yeah..different markets. not gonna be a problem

When I watched E3, I thought graphics, games, and innovations in gameplay (like the touchpad on the back) were what they were pushing. Social connectivity I didn't really pay attention to if it was driven hard. Demo's I felt they tried to show a mix of gameplay and graphics, if you watch the Uncharted demo, graphics are the first thing they talk about, then they go in depth into gameplay (like multiple ways to jump and swing).

I didn't mention all the games I heard about, just the more major ones. Ruin and Dungeons Crown are also bigger, but they also come out on PS3, which is one reason why I ask if PSV will affect PS3 sales in Japan. Obviously there are more, but I didnt try and name every game.

Anyway, good to hear your opinion, I'm just curious.



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I dont believe it will. While they have mentioned that power of the PSV will be comparable to ps3, they have also gone to lengths to demonstrate that it is very different from the ps3 with features ranging from dual touchscreens to cameras to AR setup to games that are new IPs such as the Little deviants etc (even tho a number of games are simple ports/based on ps3 IPs). THE MOST important features in differentiating it from the ps3 however are the cloud gaming ability, the ability to use the PSV as a ps3 controller and finally the cross PSV/PS3 online gameplay. All of these emphasise use of the PSV IN TANDEM with the ps3 rather than REPLACING the ps3 and this is how fans and critics alike seem to see the PSV - not as something that will take sales away from the ps3 but something that will enhance their ps3 gameplay. Point is - NO it will NOT affect ps3 sales.



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Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Well at E3, Sony was describing the PSV as a handheld with close to PS3 graphics.

As for games, the big ones I see are Uncharted, LBP, Mod Nation Racers, Disgaea, Killzone, Mortal Kombat, Resistance, and a few multiconsole titles like Fifa, F1, Strret fighter x Tekken, etc. Just waiting on the JRPG's.

Just a thought, wanted to know what people think.

Did PSP affect PS2 sales in Japan?


they did mention it and they are right. especially since it's a smaller screen the graphics displayed are comparable to the current HD consoles. BUT it's not the point that they address mainly and it has been evident in the past months, time after time they take the opportunity to highlight other features of the device ESPECIALLY the social networking aspect. Even on their game demoes they try and show how to use the new controls in the game rather than the graphical level.

and like I said, there's something for everyone and that's a rather limited list of games you have heard of. there are quite a few new IP's announced for the device already with gameplay and such to boot. Sony has done a great job in showcasing all sides of their game line up..when they show/talk of Golden Abyss they also take the chance to talk of Ruin/Gravity/sound shapes etc/. when they talk of Burning skies they also talk of Escape Plan. the line up's huge and it keeps getting more diverse with announcements like Persona, Lil Kings story sequel etc every week. So it's just a matter of knowing the line up better

so yeah..different markets. not gonna be a problem

When I watched E3, I thought graphics, games, and innovations in gameplay (like the touchpad on the back) were what they were pushing. Social connectivity I didn't really pay attention to if it was driven hard. Demo's I felt they tried to show a mix of gameplay and graphics, if you watch the Uncharted demo, graphics are the first thing they talk about, then they go in depth into gameplay (like multiple ways to jump and swing).

I didn't mention all the games I heard about, just the more major ones. Ruin and Dungeons Crown are also bigger, but they also come out on PS3, which is one reason why I ask if PSV will affect PS3 sales in Japan. Obviously there are more, but I didnt try and name every game.

 

well now as you see even you noticed what they were talking about. Uncharted psv has some truly amazing graphics so it's obvious they talk about it..the series in general is known for it. and the impressive graphics are the first things anyone would notice when playing that demo..because that's the first thing you see when you start it. and Not all demos, mainly uncharted demo. they were talking non stop about mnr, lbp, sound shapes and their gameplay innovations. they were talking about those somewhat smaller titles since a week before E3 actually started even. For example wipeout and voice command integration was talked about in detail.

Social connectivity stuff came strong especially around GC time..I guess that's around the time when they started to finalize them. You can find yourself various interviews, presentations and vids on the subject by Sony. During E3 they showed off AR capabilities to the media a lot! So no graphics are not their main focus in marketing the device, it's just a part of many things.

again not all games announced are multiplat. There are quite a few games that are exclusive to the system and are unique. No need to be picky on what you mention, as I said there is a big range in play here.so when you say all you say the types are the same it's a rather misinformed generalization as I pointed out.

It won't affect ps3 sales..even if it does it will be very small. The main point to consider here are the markets they are catering to and they are not the same at all. simple as that.



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well now as you see even you noticed what they were talking about. Uncharted psv has some truly amazing graphics so it's obvious they talk about it..the series in general is known for it. and the impressive graphics are the first things anyone would notice when playing that demo..because that's the first thing you see when you start it. and Not all demos, mainly uncharted demo. they were talking non stop about mnr, lbp, sound shapes and their gameplay innovations. they were talking about those somewhat smaller titles since a week before E3 actually started even. For example wipeout and voice command integration was talked about in detail.

Social connectivity stuff came strong especially around GC time..I guess that's around the time when they started to finalize them. You can find yourself various interviews, presentations and vids on the subject by Sony. During E3 they showed off AR capabilities to the media a lot! So no graphics are not their main focus in marketing the device, it's just a part of many things.

again not all games announced are multiplat. There are quite a few games that are exclusive to the system and are unique. No need to be picky on what you mention, as I said there is a big range in play here.so when you say all you say the types are the same it's a rather misinformed generalization as I pointed out.

It won't affect ps3 sales..even if it does it will be very small. The main point to consider here are the markets they are catering to and they are not the same at all. simple as that.

I do remember a lot of talk about gameplay and controller interface. So are you trying to tell me that PSV will be a unique system, instead of simply a portable playstation? Gameplay innovations are great, but I still don't see that much variation between PSV and PS3 games.

Still even if the PSV plays differently from the PS3, they both cost $250. So to Japanese gamers buying a new PS3 console, wouldn't some of them purchase a PSV instead? This is why I brought the subject up. If they both cost $250, have similar graphics, and the PSV has a more sophisticated controller, won't that entice new console buyers to get a PSV instead of a PS3? I understand PS3 has a strong library, but PSV will have more new IP's coming in.

 

Question, did PSP's release hurt PS2 sales in Japan?



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Michael-5 said:
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well now as you see even you noticed what they were talking about. Uncharted psv has some truly amazing graphics so it's obvious they talk about it..the series in general is known for it. and the impressive graphics are the first things anyone would notice when playing that demo..because that's the first thing you see when you start it. and Not all demos, mainly uncharted demo. they were talking non stop about mnr, lbp, sound shapes and their gameplay innovations. they were talking about those somewhat smaller titles since a week before E3 actually started even. For example wipeout and voice command integration was talked about in detail.

Social connectivity stuff came strong especially around GC time..I guess that's around the time when they started to finalize them. You can find yourself various interviews, presentations and vids on the subject by Sony. During E3 they showed off AR capabilities to the media a lot! So no graphics are not their main focus in marketing the device, it's just a part of many things.

again not all games announced are multiplat. There are quite a few games that are exclusive to the system and are unique. No need to be picky on what you mention, as I said there is a big range in play here.so when you say all you say the types are the same it's a rather misinformed generalization as I pointed out.

It won't affect ps3 sales..even if it does it will be very small. The main point to consider here are the markets they are catering to and they are not the same at all. simple as that.

I do remember a lot of talk about gameplay and controller interface, but I dunno. Guess people view it very differently then PSV.

Question, did PSP's release hurt PS2 sales in Japan?


dunno, never really followed sales data at the time..but the 3ds release didn't have much of an affect on the wii sales in japan afaik. will be similar in this case as well



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:

I do remember a lot of talk about gameplay and controller interface, but I dunno. Guess people view it very differently then PSV.

Question, did PSP's release hurt PS2 sales in Japan?


dunno, never really followed sales data at the time..but the 3ds release didn't have much of an affect on the wii sales in japan afaik. will be similar in this case as well

See I just view 3DS and Wii as completely different systems, where I view PSV and PS3 as moderatly similar consoles. So far the only big games announced for 3DS are remakes or similar games to Wii (Mario Kart, Super Mario, Paper Mario), however the experience is different overall. 3DS is about 3D gaming, where Wii is about motion controls. I know the 3DS is motion sensitive, but you have to look at the screen, so you can't use it in the same way as on the Wii (e.g. Wii Sports).

The only PSV game that strikes me as unique is something called "Little Deviants." It's a game where you basically move landstructures via touchpad to move little deviants around. Similar to Pikmin.

I mean, what does the PSV do that makes it so different then PS3? Trophies, social networking, and the types of games are all the same. The controller doesn't seem unique enough for me to see a difference.

I'm going to have to look back and see if PSP made a difference to PS2 sales.... maybe a bit, but not much, PS2 was downhill since 2003, with a noticably larger drop in 2005. So... It's possible (off a very quick glance) that PSP took off 400k annual sales, which would be 15% or so. Nothing major, the drop due to age would be a larger affect.



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Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I do remember a lot of talk about gameplay and controller interface, but I dunno. Guess people view it very differently then PSV.

Question, did PSP's release hurt PS2 sales in Japan?


dunno, never really followed sales data at the time..but the 3ds release didn't have much of an affect on the wii sales in japan afaik. will be similar in this case as well

See I just view 3DS and Wii as completely different systems, where I view PSV and PS3 as moderatly similar consoles. So far the only big games announced for 3DS are remakes or similar games to Wii (Mario Kart, Super Mario, Paper Mario), however the experience is different overall. 3DS is about 3D gaming, where Wii is about motion controls. I know the 3DS is motion sensitive, but you have to look at the screen, so you can't use it in the same way as on the Wii (e.g. Wii Sports).

The only PSV game that strikes me as unique is something called "Little Deviants." It's a game where you basically move landstructures via touchpad to move little deviants around. Similar to Pikmin.

I mean, what does the PSV do that makes it so different then PS3? Trophies, social networking, and the types of games are all the same. The controller doesn't seem unique enough for me to see a difference.

I'm going to have to look back and see if PSP made a difference to PS2 sales.... maybe a bit, but not much, PS2 was downhill since 2003, with a noticably larger drop in 2005. So... It's possible (off a very quick glance) that PSP took off 400k annual sales, which would be 15% or so. Nothing major, the drop due to age would be a larger affect.


ughhhh you say wii and 3ds have similar games but they have different gameplay mechanics but yet fail to apply that to ps3 - psv? What sort of bs is that? honestly sometimes I wonder why I bother with you

I'm not gonna go on and list games A and here's how it plays different etc....there are plenty of resources on this site and on many places online. Do yourself a favor and inform yourself more before making these ignorant remarks.

you do realize the psv brings more way to play games than the 3ds! i mean really...do you even read what you type? and please stop saying the types of games are all the same...geez...ignorance overload! you as usual have no clue about what you are talking about...even the games like UC uses vita in its own special way that's not done so on console counterpart...pretty much almost all vita games have that aspect. the experience is much much different than on a home console.

it doesn't matter what YOU view...in japan ps3 and psp has co-existed just fine...

and pleaseeeeeeee..stop with the fake analyzing. there is no way to know for sure how much of an impact psp had on the 'ps2'..with time hardware sales drop a bit ..it's only natural..and other home consoles for the next gen including the sony one was revealed in 2005. without any proper evidence to back up your deductions they are worthless and just taking shots in the dark so to speak.



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