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M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
 

See I just view 3DS and Wii as completely different systems, where I view PSV and PS3 as moderatly similar consoles. So far the only big games announced for 3DS are remakes or similar games to Wii (Mario Kart, Super Mario, Paper Mario), however the experience is different overall. 3DS is about 3D gaming, where Wii is about motion controls. I know the 3DS is motion sensitive, but you have to look at the screen, so you can't use it in the same way as on the Wii (e.g. Wii Sports).

The only PSV game that strikes me as unique is something called "Little Deviants." It's a game where you basically move landstructures via touchpad to move little deviants around. Similar to Pikmin.

I mean, what does the PSV do that makes it so different then PS3? Trophies, social networking, and the types of games are all the same. The controller doesn't seem unique enough for me to see a difference.

I'm going to have to look back and see if PSP made a difference to PS2 sales.... maybe a bit, but not much, PS2 was downhill since 2003, with a noticably larger drop in 2005. So... It's possible (off a very quick glance) that PSP took off 400k annual sales, which would be 15% or so. Nothing major, the drop due to age would be a larger affect.


ughhhh you say wii and 3ds have similar games but they have different gameplay mechanics but yet fail to apply that to ps3 - psv? What sort of bs is that? honestly sometimes I wonder why I bother with you

I'm not gonna go on and list games A and here's how it plays different etc....there are plenty of resources on this site and on many places online. Do yourself a favor and inform yourself more before making these ignorant remarks.

you do realize the psv brings more way to play games than the 3ds! i mean really...do you even read what you type? and please stop saying the types of games are all the same...geez...ignorance overload! you as usual have no clue about what you are talking about...even the games like UC uses vita in its own special way that's not done so on console counterpart...pretty much almost all vita games have that aspect. the experience is much much different than on a home console.

it doesn't matter what YOU view...in japan ps3 and psp has co-existed just fine...

and pleaseeeeeeee..stop with the fake analyzing. there is no way to know for sure how much of an impact psp had on the 'ps2'..with time hardware sales drop a bit ..it's only natural..and other home consoles for the next gen including the sony one was revealed in 2005. without any proper evidence to back up your deductions they are worthless and just taking shots in the dark so to speak.

Currently the Wii and 3DS have similar games, but the play mechanics are largely different. Please stop with the demeaning comments, that just ruins any debate. It was you who failed to read my comment accuratly, and immediatly you insult me. Every comment you made so far you have been focuesed on bringing me down and calling me ignorant, but really you have no reason to do so. I am aware of the PSP's capabilities and game line up, and I only asked this question because both the PSV and PS3 are $250 systems, which largely (not entirely) do the same thing.

Generally Nintendo Handheld games are very different then console games. DS's best selling titles were Nintendogs, Brain Age, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, and Pokemon. Wii's best selling games are Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros, Smash Bros, and Mario Galaxy, with Just Dance creeping up the list.

You can't exactly play Wii Fit on a DS, and games like Brain Age and Pokemon has never been too popular on consoles.

My point was that 3DS and Wii are completly different systems, and that's true. 3DS is about 3D gaming, Wii is about motion controls. What's the difference between PSV and PS3? Both push innovative controls, and HD gaming, but really I have yet to see something PSV can do that PS3 can't (except for Little Deviants, but that's a niche game). Maybe it's me who knows more about the PSV library then you.

What does PSV bring that PS3 doesn't that is so remarkably different? All I can think of it the rear touch pad, and that's not exactly going to make any PSV game unplayable on the PS3.

PSP isn't a PS3 portable, it's PS2 portable, so why you compare these two I have no clue.



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no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.



Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
 

See I just view 3DS and Wii as completely different systems, where I view PSV and PS3 as moderatly similar consoles. So far the only big games announced for 3DS are remakes or similar games to Wii (Mario Kart, Super Mario, Paper Mario), however the experience is different overall. 3DS is about 3D gaming, where Wii is about motion controls. I know the 3DS is motion sensitive, but you have to look at the screen, so you can't use it in the same way as on the Wii (e.g. Wii Sports).

The only PSV game that strikes me as unique is something called "Little Deviants." It's a game where you basically move landstructures via touchpad to move little deviants around. Similar to Pikmin.

I mean, what does the PSV do that makes it so different then PS3? Trophies, social networking, and the types of games are all the same. The controller doesn't seem unique enough for me to see a difference.

I'm going to have to look back and see if PSP made a difference to PS2 sales.... maybe a bit, but not much, PS2 was downhill since 2003, with a noticably larger drop in 2005. So... It's possible (off a very quick glance) that PSP took off 400k annual sales, which would be 15% or so. Nothing major, the drop due to age would be a larger affect.


ughhhh you say wii and 3ds have similar games but they have different gameplay mechanics but yet fail to apply that to ps3 - psv? What sort of bs is that? honestly sometimes I wonder why I bother with you

I'm not gonna go on and list games A and here's how it plays different etc....there are plenty of resources on this site and on many places online. Do yourself a favor and inform yourself more before making these ignorant remarks.

you do realize the psv brings more way to play games than the 3ds! i mean really...do you even read what you type? and please stop saying the types of games are all the same...geez...ignorance overload! you as usual have no clue about what you are talking about...even the games like UC uses vita in its own special way that's not done so on console counterpart...pretty much almost all vita games have that aspect. the experience is much much different than on a home console.

it doesn't matter what YOU view...in japan ps3 and psp has co-existed just fine...

and pleaseeeeeeee..stop with the fake analyzing. there is no way to know for sure how much of an impact psp had on the 'ps2'..with time hardware sales drop a bit ..it's only natural..and other home consoles for the next gen including the sony one was revealed in 2005. without any proper evidence to back up your deductions they are worthless and just taking shots in the dark so to speak.

Currently the Wii and 3DS have similar games, but the play mechanics are largely different. Please stop with the demeaning comments, that just ruins any debate. It was you who failed to read my comment accuratly, and immediatly you insult me. Every comment you made so far you have been focuesed on bringing me down and calling me ignorant, but really you have no reason to do so. I am aware of the PSP's capabilities and game line up, and I only asked this question because both the PSV and PS3 are $250 systems, which largely (not entirely) do the same thing.

Generally Nintendo Handheld games are very different then console games. DS's best selling titles were Nintendogs, Brain Age, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, and Pokemon. Wii's best selling games are Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros, Smash Bros, and Mario Galaxy, with Just Dance creeping up the list.

You can't exactly play Wii Fit on a DS, and games like Brain Age and Pokemon has never been too popular on consoles.

My point was that 3DS and Wii are completly different systems, and that's true. 3DS is about 3D gaming, Wii is about motion controls. What's the difference between PSV and PS3? Both push innovative controls, and HD gaming, but really I have yet to see something PSV can do that PS3 can't (except for Little Deviants, but that's a niche game). Maybe it's me who knows more about the PSV library then you.

What does PSV bring that PS3 doesn't that is so remarkably different? All I can think of it the rear touch pad, and that's not exactly going to make any PSV game unplayable on the PS3.

PSP isn't a PS3 portable, it's PS2 portable, so why you compare these two I have no clue.

i take it you didn't watch gamescom and the Resistance burning skies demo. mostly (98%)all of Vitas games have differnet gameplay mechanics. PS3 and Vita will be one in the same for 30% of there games but the rest will differ so drasticly. take a look at M.U.G.E.N.S official vita thread or wait for some gameplay vid's.

long  thread short only time will tell.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.

This seems to be the general sensus on this website, thanks for your input.

However do you really think 2012 PS3 sales will be the same as 2011 in Japan? What major software title is there to boost sales?



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Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.

This seems to be the general sensus on this website, thanks for your input.

However do you really think 2012 PS3 sales will be the same as 2011 in Japan? What major software title is there to boost sales?

before i answer you profile was selected by my computer as the main page for VGC lol.

well i think it has to do manly with the price cut, and The Last Guardian. u'd think that people that want that game already own a PS3 but i wouldn't put money on it.

there are 2-4 fighting games coming out next yr which should help Vita and PS3 WW. the one thing i don't see is a sells increase for either console.

i'm also looking at a slow start for Wiiu if its released next yr which i think is a bad move on Nintendos part.



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Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.

This seems to be the general sensus on this website, thanks for your input.

However do you really think 2012 PS3 sales will be the same as 2011 in Japan? What major software title is there to boost sales?

I dont know if it will sell the same or not, but the japanese PS3 end of 2011 and 2012 line up is already pretty awesome, thats certain.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.

This seems to be the general sensus on this website, thanks for your input.

However do you really think 2012 PS3 sales will be the same as 2011 in Japan? What major software title is there to boost sales?

before i answer you profile was selected by my computer as the main page for VGC lol.

well i think it has to do manly with the price cut, and The Last Guardian. u'd think that people that want that game already own a PS3 but i wouldn't put money on it.

there are 2-4 fighting games coming out next yr which should help Vita and PS3 WW. the one thing i don't see is a sells increase for either console.

i'm also looking at a slow start for Wiiu if its released next yr which i think is a bad move on Nintendos part.

I have a feeling Wii U will start like 3DS too. However that may not be a bad thing, the 360 had a crap library the first year it was out and that 4-5 million head start gave it an edge over the PS3. It also gave Gears 1 enough of a user base to generate decent sales. Nintendo might need that same edge for Wii U, I feel they will have trouble making their games HD quality and generating strong third party support.

Anyway, back to PSV and PS3, other then The Last Guardian what else is coming for PS3 in 2012? Final Fantasy XIII Versus? Last Guardian will be big, but it will only boost sales for 1-2 weeks, not enough to keep hardware sales strong. I think regardless of the PSV, PS3 is over the hill, and I think either 2012 or 2013 will mark a drastic drop in sales in Japan, just like Wii did. This is regardless of the PSV, and I was only curious to see if people thought the PSV might drop it further.

However, everyone seems to think no, so that answers my question, and the OP.



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:

i take it you didn't watch gamescom and the Resistance burning skies demo. mostly (98%)all of Vitas games have differnet gameplay mechanics. PS3 and Vita will be one in the same for 30% of there games but the rest will differ so drasticly. take a look at M.U.G.E.N.S official vita thread or wait for some gameplay vid's.

long  thread short only time will tell.

I avoided most of gamescon because I don't want to know too much about my favorite games. Most of the features I know about the Vita are from E3, and in the demos they showed there, I don't feel too much was different.

Other then touch controls, what differentiates Vita from PS3? Social Networking, big whoop.

I agree with you most games will likely be different, but the difference between Sony handhelds and console games is much greater then Nintendo's IMO. PSP's biggest games are MGS, God of War, some Final Fantasy JRPG's, and well basically scaled down PS3 games. Daxter and Jeanne d'Arc are a couple of the unique PSP games.

Not trying to bring down Sony handhelds, but don't most people view PSP as PS2 Portable? How is PSV different from PS3 portable?

Not to sound like a fanboy, but with Nintendo, the 3DS isn't anything nearly like a Wii portable, and the DS is nothing like the Gamecube. Except for a few remakes and ports, Nintendo's handhelds are drastically different then console games.

This is why I suspected PSV to hurt PS3 sales, at least for Japan. I view the PSP as PS2 Portable (with some PS3 IP's), and PSV looks no different if you asked me.



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Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
no effect at all. PS3 will sale relatively the same next yr as it has this yr.

PSV is a whole nother product and Sony will market it as such but remember the key focus of PSV is cross platform support/play so PSV and PS3 are one in the same.

the games that don't see cross platform support will be where they differ.

This seems to be the general sensus on this website, thanks for your input.

However do you really think 2012 PS3 sales will be the same as 2011 in Japan? What major software title is there to boost sales?

before i answer you profile was selected by my computer as the main page for VGC lol.

well i think it has to do manly with the price cut, and The Last Guardian. u'd think that people that want that game already own a PS3 but i wouldn't put money on it.

there are 2-4 fighting games coming out next yr which should help Vita and PS3 WW. the one thing i don't see is a sells increase for either console.

i'm also looking at a slow start for Wiiu if its released next yr which i think is a bad move on Nintendos part.

I have a feeling Wii U will start like 3DS too. However that may not be a bad thing, the 360 had a crap library the first year it was out and that 4-5 million head start gave it an edge over the PS3. It also gave Gears 1 enough of a user base to generate decent sales. Nintendo might need that same edge for Wii U, I feel they will have trouble making their games HD quality and generating strong third party support.

Anyway, back to PSV and PS3, other then The Last Guardian what else is coming for PS3 in 2012? Final Fantasy XIII Versus? Last Guardian will be big, but it will only boost sales for 1-2 weeks, not enough to keep hardware sales strong. I think regardless of the PSV, PS3 is over the hill, and I think either 2012 or 2013 will mark a drastic drop in sales in Japan, just like Wii did. This is regardless of the PSV, and I was only curious to see if people thought the PSV might drop it further.

However, everyone seems to think no, so that answers my question, and the OP.

so wht do you think will happen 2012? i forgot the op lol. the Wii only droped when suport stop'd thats way i see it. i thinkg 1 of those final fantasy games will be released next yr, and like i said before a fighting game will be released next yr. the pricedrop may continue to carry some weight and keep sales even to this yr.

maybe even some more HD classic's. the PSP line up. when you think about it any thing can do it, i think it will just be sells in general.

nothing really big to boost sells just enough to keep them stable.



Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

i take it you didn't watch gamescom and the Resistance burning skies demo. mostly (98%)all of Vitas games have differnet gameplay mechanics. PS3 and Vita will be one in the same for 30% of there games but the rest will differ so drasticly. take a look at M.U.G.E.N.S official vita thread or wait for some gameplay vid's.

long  thread short only time will tell.

I avoided most of gamescon because I don't want to know too much about my favorite games. Most of the features I know about the Vita are from E3, and in the demos they showed there, I don't feel too much was different.

Other then touch controls, what differentiates Vita from PS3? Social Networking, big whoop.

I agree with you most games will likely be different, but the difference between Sony handhelds and console games is much greater then Nintendo's IMO. PSP's biggest games are MGS, God of War, some Final Fantasy JRPG's, and well basically scaled down PS3 games. Daxter and Jeanne d'Arc are a couple of the unique PSP games.

Not trying to bring down Sony handhelds, but don't most people view PSP as PS2 Portable? How is PSV different from PS3 portable?

Not to sound like a fanboy, but with Nintendo, the 3DS isn't anything nearly like a Wii portable, and the DS is nothing like the Gamecube. Except for a few remakes and ports, Nintendo's handhelds are drastically different then console games.

This is why I suspected PSV to hurt PS3 sales, at least for Japan. I view the PSP as PS2 Portable (with some PS3 IP's), and PSV looks no different if you asked me.

And 3DS has only the 3D more then Wii and how 3D chance the way to play a game the touch screen yes but the 3D no.

If port have a better succes then unique game in PSVita is not the Sony problem, Sony make both port and new IP .

You say PSVita has only little deviants as a unique game who is not the same experience then PS3 you wrong do you really see all game annonced for PSVita or you just try to ignore them: Little deviants,gravity Daze,Smart As,Escape Plan,Sound Shape,Broken,Reality Fighter ETC.

 



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m