Player1x3 said:
Oh, I hit the nerve there, didnt' I? :D Anyway, I wont argue with you on that matter, because it would seem endless and pointless, you sound extremly militant and agressive about the suject, so there is no point. However, the bolded points are just plain wrong tho. 1st off, Allah is the same God we worship, only different name in Arabaic, its the same only one divine God, just like Christian one. Zeus never created the world, that would require for him to be old as the earth itself, however, before the Gods, there were Titans, and Cronos was the son of Zeus. Learn your wits and ''tricky questions'' before asking them Second off, thtas not completly or any true. Take a look at Tea Party members and supporters which are almost all christian. Not to mention ost of the worlds leaders and billionares are religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_billionaires http://digitaljournal.com/article/289821 AS for science and atheism, most studies revailed that most of the scientists are either agonstic or deitstic. most of scientists beleive in higher power or ''God'' just not a certain religion with a certain God, whihc is why most of them are deistic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_science#List_of_studies Than, there is also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science (Look from 20th cenutry and onwards) |
Thanks for the time you took to read my comment, I will take it as you agreed with the points you didn't want to argue :).
Militant and agressive? thanks... I have in high regard people who actually stand by what they say and present their point of view to the public so they can be argued and don't hide in the 'oh i have my beliefs and you have yours , now let's pretend there are no differences and talk about something else' kind of mentality. So you're actually paying me a compliment on that remark alone ;)
About the bickering on the details of the several religious claims I will admit I didn't feel it was relevant to post the exact intricacies of all different religious beliefs and thousands of gods that humanity created at one time or another. I had no particular reason to pick the ones I did, simply they are 'popular' enough all over the world to pass my point. What good would it do to list dozens of other popular gods ( http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm )? You still chose to believe in none of them, but decided to pick YHWH anyways over the rest of them. You're as much as an atheist as me regarding those other gods, I just keep being an atheist to your god as well.
On another note, Tea Party? lol... I don't know if I gave you the impression I'm from the US, I'm really not. I do know what that movement is all about, but I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by mentioning those imbeciles. I honestly didn't understand that refference. They are mostly christians? So what? Are you trying to say that christians are idiots? I don't think so... besides in that country you probably have as much christians who are left winged as right winged in their political views.
About the billionaires, aside from the old farts who come from extremely rich and conservative families that basically inherited their family fortune, the people who actually created their fortunes in this new competitive world are much more likely to be successful using their intelligence than by praying. But it's still funny that on the top 3 of that list of billionaires you linked, 2 of those people are known atheists (and I'm not sure about Carlos Slim's beliefs), of course I mean Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Who (on a side note) happen to be the people who have the biggest charitable fundation in the world (Bill & Melinda Gates fundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_charitable_foundations ). And I thought atheists were only thinking about themselves all the time, right? hehe
Regarding scientists that are believers... well I can tell you I graduated in Physics and never met 1 single person in my department who was religious. Didn't mean they didn't exist, but if they did they were too ashamed to display it. But other than that... There were several polls made to determine the percentage of scientists who had some religious belief, namely from the members of the national academy of science and the results were pretty clear. The vast majority were atheists, specially from the specialists in subjects like physics and natural sciences. I promise I will find such studies for you later on when I will have some time (but I think it was in Nature or Science magazine that the results were shown). In any case you apparently admit that the vast majority of scientists don't believe your god to exist, and being agnostic in this respect is just the same as being an atheist (agnostic means that it does not have knowledge about the existence of a god, which makes you an agnostic as well), they simply don't believe the tennants of your religion still.
And you forgot to address the point there are other religions competing with yours with totally different claims about gods and what such gods say or think, why do you dismiss those and only find your particular religion convincing?
I would love to hear back from you on this
