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sethnintendo on 15 July 2011
hunter_alien said:
sethnintendo said:
italo244 said:
Tell me 1 sucessfull IP that Nintendo created this gen. Oh, im not talking about Wii Music, Wii Play, Wii Motion Play, and Wii x bullshit. I want real IP, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid.
You cant name even 1.

Bye.


How about Wii Fit? 

Seriously though... This was a new genre that was created.  There weren't too many fitness games before this that I can remember.  The only one I can remember would be the world track with the power pad back during the NES era.  Can't blame them for making a new genre (just because you don't like) be successful.

 

R U serious? What about the Yoga and Fitness simulators that the PS2/Xbox  had? If you have no video game culture dont bash!

My video game culture is invested in Nintendo.  Sorry, I forgot about Yoga and Fitness from PS2/xbox.....  You know what... NES Power Pad trumps all considering it came out during the 8-bit era.   I bet every fitness game you can cite for PS2 and Xbox didn't come close to Wii Fit sales even combined.  Wii Fit might not have been first but they sure as hell made it mainstream.  You can try and lecture me on video game culture but the fact is I started during the Atari 2600 era.  Go ahead and take away my "hardcore" gamer badge since I forgot/didn't know about some "fitness" game that barely sold shit on PS2/Xbox.



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geddesmond2 on 15 July 2011
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
Aquietguy said:

*sigh*

Again, here are most new 1st party IPs (published and owned by Nintendo) this gen:

On Wii and WiiWare: Wii Series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, FlingSmash, Endless Ocean, Captain Rainbow, And-Kensaku, ThruSpace, Rock N' Roll Climber, You Me and the Cubes, Eco Shooter: Plant 530, Line Attack Heroes, Snowpack Park, AquaSpace, MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade.

On DS and DSiWare: Soma Bringer, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Jam with the Band, Another Code/Trace Memory, Nintendogs, Osu ! Tatakae ! Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Jet Impulse, Chousoujou Mecha MG, Electroplankton, Meteos, Fossil Fighters, Hotel Dusk, Zekkyo Senshi Sakeburein, Style Savvy/Style Boutique, Metal Torrent, Reflect Missile/Trajectile, A Kappa's Trail.

And there's also Steel Diver on 3DS.

Also, as I mentioned before, saying that the games have to be released in all regions, be popular, or not "casual" is clearly moving "goal posts". The games still exist, no matter where they're released, how much they sell or if you care about them or not. And the same applies to Sony/Microsoft ones, of course.

Well if DS, Wiiware and 3DS count then so should Xbox live, PSN, PSP and PS Vita which puts the amount of new ips for both Microsoft and Sony into the dozens. I'm not saying Wii doesn't have new IPS it does have some but how many of those do people want and again if you live in europe and or NA and Nintendo release games in Japan only then it may aswel not exist because you'll never get the chance to play it.

Just look at The Last story. Its the only Nintendo game I have wanted Since Donkey Kong country returns and 2 months ago there was no confirmation on an EU release. Now we have the confirmation and theres rumours going around that NA won't be getting the game and Nintendo have failed to answer fans questions. The games may exist but what good are they unless you learn japanese especially for a game like the Last story which is a very story driven game.

Lets just look at some of those Ips. Xenoblades no NA release. The Last Story, no NA release. Disaster day of cysis, no NA release. Pandoras Tower, no NA release. Zangeki no Reginleiv, only in japan. Captain Rainbow, japan only. And-Kensaku, japan only. I mean I can go on and on but whats the point. What good are these new Ips to someone who lives in America or Europe. I would understand the OP if it was Japanese websites he was reading where core gamers where talking about no new Ips but hes browsing NA and european sites were these games ain't sold.  Also not to mention a lot of those titles ain't hardcore games.

Yes, PSN/Live/PSP/PSVita new 1st party IPs do count too, of course. Still, the main point was that Nintendo has created quite a few IPs this gen as well as every gen before it, which many people claimed they didn't or aren't, not to compare which company has created more. And the hypocrisy of some people is that they continuously complain about Nintendo's sequels, yet they don't have a problem with playing plenty of other sequels from other publishers, some of them released annualy, and some of them being also quite old. This last point is not even dependant on whether there's new IPs available or not...

Anyway, as far as localizations goes, are you aware that you can play PAL/Japanese games on an American Wii through homebrew (software modding) ? From what I've heard, it's not that hard to do. And any game that gets localized on Europe obviously gets an English translation, so there's no language barrier there. But, since we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that some Japanese games can be played without knowing the language (fighting games, puzzle games, sports games, shoot'em ups, etc).

And as I already mentioned several times, it doesn't matter whether the games are labeled "hardcore", "casual" or whatever, they still exist. Should I pretend that God of War doesn't exist because I don't care about it ? We all have our preferences, but opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Pretending that games labeled "casual" shouldn't count here is an example of moving goal posts to fit your argument, not to mention the fact that Sony and Microsoft also have their own games that are labeled "casual". How is it that Eyepet or Lips (for example) count as new Sony/Microsoft IPs, yet the Wii series or FlingSmash don't ? Besides, I should point out that, at least to me, casual/hardcore/core/etc are just ambiguous labels without any real substance behind them...


Well I wasn't including LIps or eyepet in the arguement because quite frankly they are very forgetable. Also I ain't gonna argue about it no more. OP was saying why other consol owners complain about no new core nintendo Titles and I was giving my opinion. As I've said this whole generation. I foolishly bought a Wii only to ever buy 4 games for it because they were the only ones I wanted. I hate motion controls weither its PS Move or Wii. Its very rarely a game like the Last story comes along to get my attention or a remake of Donkey Kong Country which was my favorite SNES game back when I was 10 years old. I grew up on Nintendo and I owned about 30 NES titles and 25 SNES titles. I also buy over 20 games a year and spend at least 50 hours a week gaming so I think that entitles me to hardcore status. I've owned every Nintendo consol ever made but this gen Nintendo has not provided for me so thats why I would say things OP is complaining about. Its not that I hate Nintendo its because I don't care for what they provide. There is only so many Marios and Zeldas you can play before it gets old and I'd say that about any other series that has too many games in the series weither its Sony, MS or Nintendo.



oniyide on 15 July 2011
geddesmond2 said:
Aquietguy said:

Browsing on different game sights, I notice that a lot of "core gamers" saying that all Nintendo does is make rehashes of the same games and create new ways to play them. Then they would pee in their pants over the next shooter in a series. Games like COD, grand theft auto, or gears of war. Sony is releasing a beta of uncharted Drake. That is 3 in one gen. At that rate there will be more Drake's than Zelda's in three gens. Also, isn't there another Bio Shock coming? Talk about being a hypocrite! These people are haters more than core gamers.


Nintendo has been using the same franchises for years. Sony and Microsoft create new series each generation. Yeah there is 3 uncharted games and 3 resistances but these are series created from scratch this generation. Sony has created over 10 new franchises this generation alone. How many has Nintendo. Also Gears of war is a new franchise this gen, People play COD for the multiplayer experiance and each Grand theft auto game is a game on its own. It may carry the same name with a number after it but each game is a totally new experiance to the last. Plus they are open world sandbox games with over a hundred hours of playtime which is why people want them so much.

Browsing various gaming sites across the internet I have noticed there is a lot of sensitivity coming from the Nintendo camp lately. What exactly is the cause of this. What has Sony and Microsoft done to set these people off????? Oh and if you take offence to my last comment in any way then your the right person to answer my  question!

I think it is jealousy that PS360 are getting great support from third parties, while WIi is either left in the cold or they get a version that is far weaker, but to be fair you cant blame 3rd parties totally, nobody told Ninty to make a console using last gen tech OR its Ninty, they have been around for a while so the fans may be more emotionally attached



Jazz2K on 15 July 2011
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Jazz2K said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Jazz2K said:
Sony and Microsoft publish games that set the tone for third party devs. Like someone said, Microsoft published Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon so third parties aren't afraid to release RPGs on the console. If Nintendo released some more different games than their usual mascotts I'm sure third party devs wouldn't be affraid to do the same. You gotta realise that if Nintendo doesn't create different games than those kiddy games it's like they're affraid these games are not going to sell. So if the console manufacturer is affraid of publishing these different games, why would third parties do it?



While I will respectfully disagree with everything else you said, this one right here needs to be addressed. And here is why. Nintendo recently released a new hand held console called the 3DS and the launch titles from third parties included Super Street Fighter 4, Pro Evolution Soccer, and Samurai Warriors. Does Nintendo publish titles that are anything at all like these titles? So then by your logic, why would they exist on the console? Hmmmmmmm. Right now I have DOA: Dimensions in my 3DS, good thing Nintendo publishes titles like this because if they did not, this game would be nowhere near their console, right? You are incorrect.


Handhelds are kind of different and I'm not interrested in those anyway. To tell you the truth, I'd rather play mario games on handhelds than play games like Gears of War or Mass Effect. To further prove my point, in the early years of the 360 there was all kinds of JRPGs coming out. Now that MS stopped investing in those third parties did the same. Except for SquareEnix jrpgs on 360 are dead, more might see the light of day but only for the quick bucks. It's pretty simple logic to me.

When Nintendo talks about the WiiU they talk about how games like Battlefield 3 and Doom will make a return. Why do you think, it's to get gamers with tastes like mine back. They understand that they could have the best console ever but gamers that don't care about the mascotts will still buy the competition.

When you go in a store to buy a console and see the games all you see in the Nintnedo rows are kiddy games and Mario games because that's what is selling the most so of course people like will pass our way and go directly to the Xbox/PS3 rows. There are family games on 360 and PS3 but unless I wanna play with my family I'll pass but Nintendo consoles is full of these games so why would I care?

One more precision, being a core gamer to me has nothing to do with game designs but more about the gameplay. Mario games and Zelda games are as core to me as Gears.

I quoted this to show goal post being moved. I used a logical argument and you come back with that. That is laughable.

I don't see the logic behind your last comment but oh well. Anyway I fully believe that games set in more realistic settings wouldn't do wrong to Nintendo.



oniyide on 15 July 2011
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
Aquietguy said:

*sigh*

Again, here are most new 1st party IPs (published and owned by Nintendo) this gen:

On Wii and WiiWare: Wii Series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, FlingSmash, Endless Ocean, Captain Rainbow, And-Kensaku, ThruSpace, Rock N' Roll Climber, You Me and the Cubes, Eco Shooter: Plant 530, Line Attack Heroes, Snowpack Park, AquaSpace, MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade.

On DS and DSiWare: Soma Bringer, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Jam with the Band, Another Code/Trace Memory, Nintendogs, Osu ! Tatakae ! Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Jet Impulse, Chousoujou Mecha MG, Electroplankton, Meteos, Fossil Fighters, Hotel Dusk, Zekkyo Senshi Sakeburein, Style Savvy/Style Boutique, Metal Torrent, Reflect Missile/Trajectile, A Kappa's Trail.

And there's also Steel Diver on 3DS.

Also, as I mentioned before, saying that the games have to be released in all regions, be popular, or not "casual" is clearly moving "goal posts". The games still exist, no matter where they're released, how much they sell or if you care about them or not. And the same applies to Sony/Microsoft ones, of course.

Well if DS, Wiiware and 3DS count then so should Xbox live, PSN, PSP and PS Vita which puts the amount of new ips for both Microsoft and Sony into the dozens. I'm not saying Wii doesn't have new IPS it does have some but how many of those do people want and again if you live in europe and or NA and Nintendo release games in Japan only then it may aswel not exist because you'll never get the chance to play it.

Just look at The Last story. Its the only Nintendo game I have wanted Since Donkey Kong country returns and 2 months ago there was no confirmation on an EU release. Now we have the confirmation and theres rumours going around that NA won't be getting the game and Nintendo have failed to answer fans questions. The games may exist but what good are they unless you learn japanese especially for a game like the Last story which is a very story driven game.

Lets just look at some of those Ips. Xenoblades no NA release. The Last Story, no NA release. Disaster day of cysis, no NA release. Pandoras Tower, no NA release. Zangeki no Reginleiv, only in japan. Captain Rainbow, japan only. And-Kensaku, japan only. I mean I can go on and on but whats the point. What good are these new Ips to someone who lives in America or Europe. I would understand the OP if it was Japanese websites he was reading where core gamers where talking about no new Ips but hes browsing NA and european sites were these games ain't sold.  Also not to mention a lot of those titles ain't hardcore games.

Yes, PSN/Live/PSP/PSVita new 1st party IPs do count too, of course. Still, the main point was that Nintendo has created quite a few IPs this gen as well as every gen before it, which many people claimed they didn't or aren't, not to compare which company has created more. And the hypocrisy of some people is that they continuously complain about Nintendo's sequels, yet they don't have a problem with playing plenty of other sequels from other publishers, some of them released annualy, and some of them being also quite old. This last point is not even dependant on whether there's new IPs available or not...

Anyway, as far as localizations goes, are you aware that you can play PAL/Japanese games on an American Wii through homebrew (software modding) ? From what I've heard, it's not that hard to do. And any game that gets localized on Europe obviously gets an English translation, so there's no language barrier there. But, since we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that some Japanese games can be played without knowing the language (fighting games, puzzle games, sports games, shoot'em ups, etc).

And as I already mentioned several times, it doesn't matter whether the games are labeled "hardcore", "casual" or whatever, they still exist. Should I pretend that God of War doesn't exist because I don't care about it ? We all have our preferences, but opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Pretending that games labeled "casual" shouldn't count here is an example of moving goal posts to fit your argument, not to mention the fact that Sony and Microsoft also have their own games that are labeled "casual". How is it that Eyepet or Lips (for example) count as new Sony/Microsoft IPs, yet the Wii series or FlingSmash don't ? Besides, I should point out that, at least to me, casual/hardcore/core/etc are just ambiguous labels without any real substance behind them...


Well I wasn't including LIps or eyepet in the arguement because quite frankly they are very forgetable. Also I ain't gonna argue about it no more. OP was saying why other consol owners complain about no new core nintendo Titles and I was giving my opinion. As I've said this whole generation. I foolishly bought a Wii only to ever buy 4 games for it because they were the only ones I wanted. I hate motion controls weither its PS Move or Wii. Its very rarely a game like the Last story comes along to get my attention or a remake of Donkey Kong Country which was my favorite SNES game back when I was 10 years old. I grew up on Nintendo and I owned about 30 NES titles and 25 SNES titles. I also buy over 20 games a year and spend at least 50 hours a week gaming so I think that entitles me to hardcore status. I've owned every Nintendo consol ever made but this gen Nintendo has not provided for me so thats why I would say things OP is complaining about. Its not that I hate Nintendo its because I don't care for what they provide. There is only so many Marios and Zeldas you can play before it gets old and I'd say that about any other series that has too many games in the series weither its Sony, MS or Nintendo.

If you hate motion controls, why did you buy a Wii?? Just asking



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MrT-Tar on 16 July 2011
seiya19 said:
MrT-Tar said:
seiya19 said:

Also, SCEA is certainly not perfect either as far as localization goes, with them passing on Demon's Souls, releasing Siren as a download-only and slightly censored, and skipping several PSP games. And Microsoft never got much Japanese games to publish, so I don't think you can evaluate them by just 2 or 3 games.   


Sony is far worse for localisations than Nintendo IMO.  I live in U.K, so fortunately I'm shielded from NoA and come under NoE.  Nothing Nintendo has ever done localisation (or lack of) wise will ever match IMO what Sony is doing with the PSN in Europe.  Many of the best PSX games, such as Xenogears and Chrono Cross, were never released in Europe.  However, Sony is refusing to release these games on the European PSN.  I think these games would actually sell quite well as less people here would've played them.  Sony claims that they don't know whether it can be released here.  I was so sick of this, I just imported an NTSC PSX along with several games, including Xenogears.

This is in direct contrast to Nintendo, who have allowed 3rd parties to release their games in regions where they weren't originally.  For example, I've downloaded the likes of Ogre Battle 64, Sin and Punishment and Super Mario RPG, all which never saw original launches here in Europe.  Square-Enix themselves have put games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI/III on the EU VC.

IMO this is worse than NoA not localising Xenoblade Chronicles.  Sony is going to have to do a lot for me to regain their trust after this clusterfuck.

I must admit that I'm not as much informed of PAL localizations as I'm with American ones to compare them. And I didn't know about that issue regarding PSOne "import" classics... Quite strange, given that they're digital only releases. I do know that many VC games have been released as "imports" there through "Hanabi Festivals", even though there has been some inconsistencies regarding some games that get released on Australia and not Europe or viceversa.

Has this issue affected more than just Square-Enix games, that you're aware of ? And what about the other classic platforms ?

 

@Mr Khan

Ha, funny stuff... ^_^

The Virtual Console's Hanobi festival has allowed for many games not originally released in the West, and in particular Europe, to be put up on the VC.  Examples include Sin and Punishment, Ogre Battle 64, Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger.  There is no such equivilent on the PSN, games like Xenogears, Chrono Cross as well as non Square-Enix games such as the Arc the Lad PSX games that weren't originally launched in Europe,  aren't and won't be on the EU PSN.    

The thing is that Sony don't need to do anything to allow these games on the EU PSN if they follow the model used by Nintendo with import VC games.  For example, almost no translation was involved (the exception was the menus in Sin and Punishment) and the games weren't even optimised for 50hz.  All that Sony have to do is submit the games for rating by PEGI and then upload then to the PSN.  When it occurred to me that such games aren't coming to the EU PSN and that PSX games are region locked, even on the region free PS3, I decided to import an NTSC PSX with 10 games (Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Valkyrie Profile, Tactics Ogre, Arc the Lad I-III, Dragon Quest/Warrior VII, Tales of Destiny and Tales of Eternia/Destiny II.  I've never regretted that decision, despite it being quite costly.




Linkasf on 16 July 2011
naruball said:

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll say it once more. How many Mario games have been made? And when I say Mario games I mean any game on a nintendo platform that features Mario. Many counter argue that there have only been a few MAIN Mario games, but still, if Sony were to make Kratos KART, Kratos party, Kratos 3d, Kratos football, Kratos pinball etc I would be really pissed. Kratos was a playable character in Soul Calibur: Broken destiny and Mortal Kombat. If he's also included in Tekken 7 etc I will not bother getting the game at all.
I absolutely loved Mario 15 years ago and Super Mario Bros 3 is one of my all time favourite games. But I absolutely hate the way they milked the franchise instead of creating new ips.
Now how exactly is this hypocricy?

Kratos is not nearly famous enough to be in many different kinds of games... He isn't an Icon either. He's on a much lower level than Mario. He has only been around since last gen. Doesn't make it Mario's fault for being their since the Nes. I believe this is called jealously or something. I wonder how it woulda been if Kratos was still around and was made since 20 years ago...



geddesmond2 on 16 July 2011
oniyide said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
Aquietguy said:

*sigh*

Again, here are most new 1st party IPs (published and owned by Nintendo) this gen:

On Wii and WiiWare: Wii Series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, FlingSmash, Endless Ocean, Captain Rainbow, And-Kensaku, ThruSpace, Rock N' Roll Climber, You Me and the Cubes, Eco Shooter: Plant 530, Line Attack Heroes, Snowpack Park, AquaSpace, MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade.

On DS and DSiWare: Soma Bringer, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Jam with the Band, Another Code/Trace Memory, Nintendogs, Osu ! Tatakae ! Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Jet Impulse, Chousoujou Mecha MG, Electroplankton, Meteos, Fossil Fighters, Hotel Dusk, Zekkyo Senshi Sakeburein, Style Savvy/Style Boutique, Metal Torrent, Reflect Missile/Trajectile, A Kappa's Trail.

And there's also Steel Diver on 3DS.

Also, as I mentioned before, saying that the games have to be released in all regions, be popular, or not "casual" is clearly moving "goal posts". The games still exist, no matter where they're released, how much they sell or if you care about them or not. And the same applies to Sony/Microsoft ones, of course.

Well if DS, Wiiware and 3DS count then so should Xbox live, PSN, PSP and PS Vita which puts the amount of new ips for both Microsoft and Sony into the dozens. I'm not saying Wii doesn't have new IPS it does have some but how many of those do people want and again if you live in europe and or NA and Nintendo release games in Japan only then it may aswel not exist because you'll never get the chance to play it.

Just look at The Last story. Its the only Nintendo game I have wanted Since Donkey Kong country returns and 2 months ago there was no confirmation on an EU release. Now we have the confirmation and theres rumours going around that NA won't be getting the game and Nintendo have failed to answer fans questions. The games may exist but what good are they unless you learn japanese especially for a game like the Last story which is a very story driven game.

Lets just look at some of those Ips. Xenoblades no NA release. The Last Story, no NA release. Disaster day of cysis, no NA release. Pandoras Tower, no NA release. Zangeki no Reginleiv, only in japan. Captain Rainbow, japan only. And-Kensaku, japan only. I mean I can go on and on but whats the point. What good are these new Ips to someone who lives in America or Europe. I would understand the OP if it was Japanese websites he was reading where core gamers where talking about no new Ips but hes browsing NA and european sites were these games ain't sold.  Also not to mention a lot of those titles ain't hardcore games.

Yes, PSN/Live/PSP/PSVita new 1st party IPs do count too, of course. Still, the main point was that Nintendo has created quite a few IPs this gen as well as every gen before it, which many people claimed they didn't or aren't, not to compare which company has created more. And the hypocrisy of some people is that they continuously complain about Nintendo's sequels, yet they don't have a problem with playing plenty of other sequels from other publishers, some of them released annualy, and some of them being also quite old. This last point is not even dependant on whether there's new IPs available or not...

Anyway, as far as localizations goes, are you aware that you can play PAL/Japanese games on an American Wii through homebrew (software modding) ? From what I've heard, it's not that hard to do. And any game that gets localized on Europe obviously gets an English translation, so there's no language barrier there. But, since we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that some Japanese games can be played without knowing the language (fighting games, puzzle games, sports games, shoot'em ups, etc).

And as I already mentioned several times, it doesn't matter whether the games are labeled "hardcore", "casual" or whatever, they still exist. Should I pretend that God of War doesn't exist because I don't care about it ? We all have our preferences, but opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Pretending that games labeled "casual" shouldn't count here is an example of moving goal posts to fit your argument, not to mention the fact that Sony and Microsoft also have their own games that are labeled "casual". How is it that Eyepet or Lips (for example) count as new Sony/Microsoft IPs, yet the Wii series or FlingSmash don't ? Besides, I should point out that, at least to me, casual/hardcore/core/etc are just ambiguous labels without any real substance behind them...


Well I wasn't including LIps or eyepet in the arguement because quite frankly they are very forgetable. Also I ain't gonna argue about it no more. OP was saying why other consol owners complain about no new core nintendo Titles and I was giving my opinion. As I've said this whole generation. I foolishly bought a Wii only to ever buy 4 games for it because they were the only ones I wanted. I hate motion controls weither its PS Move or Wii. Its very rarely a game like the Last story comes along to get my attention or a remake of Donkey Kong Country which was my favorite SNES game back when I was 10 years old. I grew up on Nintendo and I owned about 30 NES titles and 25 SNES titles. I also buy over 20 games a year and spend at least 50 hours a week gaming so I think that entitles me to hardcore status. I've owned every Nintendo consol ever made but this gen Nintendo has not provided for me so thats why I would say things OP is complaining about. Its not that I hate Nintendo its because I don't care for what they provide. There is only so many Marios and Zeldas you can play before it gets old and I'd say that about any other series that has too many games in the series weither its Sony, MS or Nintendo.

If you hate motion controls, why did you buy a Wii?? Just asking

You have to try something first to see if you like it and I bought a Wii for Zelda Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy. Both games that I only got half ways through.



seiya19 on 16 July 2011
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
Aquietguy said:


Well I wasn't including LIps or eyepet in the arguement because quite frankly they are very forgetable. Also I ain't gonna argue about it no more. OP was saying why other consol owners complain about no new core nintendo Titles and I was giving my opinion. As I've said this whole generation. I foolishly bought a Wii only to ever buy 4 games for it because they were the only ones I wanted. I hate motion controls weither its PS Move or Wii. Its very rarely a game like the Last story comes along to get my attention or a remake of Donkey Kong Country which was my favorite SNES game back when I was 10 years old. I grew up on Nintendo and I owned about 30 NES titles and 25 SNES titles. I also buy over 20 games a year and spend at least 50 hours a week gaming so I think that entitles me to hardcore status. I've owned every Nintendo consol ever made but this gen Nintendo has not provided for me so thats why I would say things OP is complaining about. Its not that I hate Nintendo its because I don't care for what they provide. There is only so many Marios and Zeldas you can play before it gets old and I'd say that about any other series that has too many games in the series weither its Sony, MS or Nintendo.

So, after I pointed out most of the new IPs that Nintendo has created this gen (a few of them labeled "hardcore") and the way to play at least some of the unlocalized ones, you still respond with the old "too many Mario/Zelda" ? It's like you ignored everything I said... even if you count only the "hardcore" games.

It's perfectly fine if you don't care about Nintendo or Mario/Zelda, just don't try to express that opinion through blanket statements and plain lies, like the kind of comments the OP was mentioning (complaining about sequels being made, not just lack of new IPs). And your personal taste in games or mine is irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

Nintendo has released plenty of games on Wii that are considered "hardcore"/"core" besides Mario/Zelda, like Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Punch-Out !, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Battalion Wars 2, Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, Kirby games, etc. It's a fact that Nintendo has a lot more that just Mario/Zelda/Pokémon/Donkey Kong, new IPs or old, so like I said before, anyone that repeats that old myth is either a troll or plain ignorant, no different that anyone that claims 360 has just Halo or PS3 has just Gran Turismo and God of War.

And I don't know whether you are one of the very few gamers that genuinely doesn't like sequels, but even if you are, you're in the far minority. Metal Gear Solid 4, Street Fighter IV, Tekken 6, Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2/Versus XIII, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Soul Calibur V, Sonic Generations, Mega Man 10, Ninja Gaiden 3, Devil May Cry, GTA IV, etc have plenty of PS3/360 owners interested in them. Furthermore, as it was mentioned before, many other publishers have been releasing sequels much more frequently than Nintendo does. Also, how is it that every game with Mario/Zelda on the name is the same regardless of its genre or execution, but somehow, Metal Gear Solid is completely different from Metal Gear or every Street Fighter is different ? All this is pure hypocrisy, and I've seen it by myself many times. There's almost no gaming company that doesn't make sequels/remakes and almost no gamer that doesn't like some of them, so why is Nintendo singled out here ?

By the way, I also started playing games in the NES era and I never felt the need to call myself "hardcore" or any other similar term, and I don't think that my opinion is worth more because of my experience. Sure, it might be a more "educated" one, but an opinion is still an opinion, subjective by definition. Also, like I said before, many of the self-proclaimed "hardcore" gamers don't live up to their own elitism, either because of their limited knowledge regarding any game "non-mainstream", their complete focus on only 2 or 3 genres, or the complete ignorance of anything that came before them (some of them being also quite young...). But as I said before, the whole concept of "hardcore" is so ridiculously ambiguous that everyone has their own definition of it...

PS: I know you said you weren't going to argue more, but these points are the same ones I argued before and I can't believe they aren't crystal clear by now... But well, I'll shut up now, unless someone has a question for me.



seiya19 on 16 July 2011
MrT-Tar said:
seiya19 said:
MrT-Tar said:
seiya19 said:

Also, SCEA is certainly not perfect either as far as localization goes, with them passing on Demon's Souls, releasing Siren as a download-only and slightly censored, and skipping several PSP games. And Microsoft never got much Japanese games to publish, so I don't think you can evaluate them by just 2 or 3 games.   


Sony is far worse for localisations than Nintendo IMO.  I live in U.K, so fortunately I'm shielded from NoA and come under NoE.  Nothing Nintendo has ever done localisation (or lack of) wise will ever match IMO what Sony is doing with the PSN in Europe.  Many of the best PSX games, such as Xenogears and Chrono Cross, were never released in Europe.  However, Sony is refusing to release these games on the European PSN.  I think these games would actually sell quite well as less people here would've played them.  Sony claims that they don't know whether it can be released here.  I was so sick of this, I just imported an NTSC PSX along with several games, including Xenogears.

This is in direct contrast to Nintendo, who have allowed 3rd parties to release their games in regions where they weren't originally.  For example, I've downloaded the likes of Ogre Battle 64, Sin and Punishment and Super Mario RPG, all which never saw original launches here in Europe.  Square-Enix themselves have put games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI/III on the EU VC.

IMO this is worse than NoA not localising Xenoblade Chronicles.  Sony is going to have to do a lot for me to regain their trust after this clusterfuck.

I must admit that I'm not as much informed of PAL localizations as I'm with American ones to compare them. And I didn't know about that issue regarding PSOne "import" classics... Quite strange, given that they're digital only releases. I do know that many VC games have been released as "imports" there through "Hanabi Festivals", even though there has been some inconsistencies regarding some games that get released on Australia and not Europe or viceversa.

Has this issue affected more than just Square-Enix games, that you're aware of ? And what about the other classic platforms ?

 

@Mr Khan

Ha, funny stuff... ^_^

The Virtual Console's Hanobi festival has allowed for many games not originally released in the West, and in particular Europe, to be put up on the VC.  Examples include Sin and Punishment, Ogre Battle 64, Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger.  There is no such equivilent on the PSN, games like Xenogears, Chrono Cross as well as non Square-Enix games such as the Arc the Lad PSX games that weren't originally launched in Europe,  aren't and won't be on the EU PSN.    

The thing is that Sony don't need to do anything to allow these games on the EU PSN if they follow the model used by Nintendo with import VC games.  For example, almost no translation was involved (the exception was the menus in Sin and Punishment) and the games weren't even optimised for 50hz.  All that Sony have to do is submit the games for rating by PEGI and then upload then to the PSN.  When it occurred to me that such games aren't coming to the EU PSN and that PSX games are region locked, even on the region free PS3, I decided to import an NTSC PSX with 10 games (Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Valkyrie Profile, Tactics Ogre, Arc the Lad I-III, Dragon Quest/Warrior VII, Tales of Destiny and Tales of Eternia/Destiny II.  I've never regretted that decision, despite it being quite costly.

I see. I wonder what's the reason then... I thought that maybe it had to do with the translations not being good enough for Europe, but with several VC JRPGs released there I guess that's not the reason.

If I were you I would've waited for a way to play them on PS3 through soft-modding (I'm not sure if it can be done now) or just use a PC emulator. But well, I do also believe the games are worth it and playing them on the original platform is many times a plus. Also, there's always the collector's value...