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geddesmond2 on 15 July 2011
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seiya19 said:
geddesmond2 said:
seiya19 said:
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Aquietguy said:

*sigh*

Again, here are most new 1st party IPs (published and owned by Nintendo) this gen:

On Wii and WiiWare: Wii Series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Pandora's Tower, Zangeki no Reginleiv, FlingSmash, Endless Ocean, Captain Rainbow, And-Kensaku, ThruSpace, Rock N' Roll Climber, You Me and the Cubes, Eco Shooter: Plant 530, Line Attack Heroes, Snowpack Park, AquaSpace, MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade.

On DS and DSiWare: Soma Bringer, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Jam with the Band, Another Code/Trace Memory, Nintendogs, Osu ! Tatakae ! Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Jet Impulse, Chousoujou Mecha MG, Electroplankton, Meteos, Fossil Fighters, Hotel Dusk, Zekkyo Senshi Sakeburein, Style Savvy/Style Boutique, Metal Torrent, Reflect Missile/Trajectile, A Kappa's Trail.

And there's also Steel Diver on 3DS.

Also, as I mentioned before, saying that the games have to be released in all regions, be popular, or not "casual" is clearly moving "goal posts". The games still exist, no matter where they're released, how much they sell or if you care about them or not. And the same applies to Sony/Microsoft ones, of course.

Well if DS, Wiiware and 3DS count then so should Xbox live, PSN, PSP and PS Vita which puts the amount of new ips for both Microsoft and Sony into the dozens. I'm not saying Wii doesn't have new IPS it does have some but how many of those do people want and again if you live in europe and or NA and Nintendo release games in Japan only then it may aswel not exist because you'll never get the chance to play it.

Just look at The Last story. Its the only Nintendo game I have wanted Since Donkey Kong country returns and 2 months ago there was no confirmation on an EU release. Now we have the confirmation and theres rumours going around that NA won't be getting the game and Nintendo have failed to answer fans questions. The games may exist but what good are they unless you learn japanese especially for a game like the Last story which is a very story driven game.

Lets just look at some of those Ips. Xenoblades no NA release. The Last Story, no NA release. Disaster day of cysis, no NA release. Pandoras Tower, no NA release. Zangeki no Reginleiv, only in japan. Captain Rainbow, japan only. And-Kensaku, japan only. I mean I can go on and on but whats the point. What good are these new Ips to someone who lives in America or Europe. I would understand the OP if it was Japanese websites he was reading where core gamers where talking about no new Ips but hes browsing NA and european sites were these games ain't sold.  Also not to mention a lot of those titles ain't hardcore games.

Yes, PSN/Live/PSP/PSVita new 1st party IPs do count too, of course. Still, the main point was that Nintendo has created quite a few IPs this gen as well as every gen before it, which many people claimed they didn't or aren't, not to compare which company has created more. And the hypocrisy of some people is that they continuously complain about Nintendo's sequels, yet they don't have a problem with playing plenty of other sequels from other publishers, some of them released annualy, and some of them being also quite old. This last point is not even dependant on whether there's new IPs available or not...

Anyway, as far as localizations goes, are you aware that you can play PAL/Japanese games on an American Wii through homebrew (software modding) ? From what I've heard, it's not that hard to do. And any game that gets localized on Europe obviously gets an English translation, so there's no language barrier there. But, since we're on the subject, it's also worth noting that some Japanese games can be played without knowing the language (fighting games, puzzle games, sports games, shoot'em ups, etc).

And as I already mentioned several times, it doesn't matter whether the games are labeled "hardcore", "casual" or whatever, they still exist. Should I pretend that God of War doesn't exist because I don't care about it ? We all have our preferences, but opinions are opinions and facts are facts. Pretending that games labeled "casual" shouldn't count here is an example of moving goal posts to fit your argument, not to mention the fact that Sony and Microsoft also have their own games that are labeled "casual". How is it that Eyepet or Lips (for example) count as new Sony/Microsoft IPs, yet the Wii series or FlingSmash don't ? Besides, I should point out that, at least to me, casual/hardcore/core/etc are just ambiguous labels without any real substance behind them...


Well I wasn't including LIps or eyepet in the arguement because quite frankly they are very forgetable. Also I ain't gonna argue about it no more. OP was saying why other consol owners complain about no new core nintendo Titles and I was giving my opinion. As I've said this whole generation. I foolishly bought a Wii only to ever buy 4 games for it because they were the only ones I wanted. I hate motion controls weither its PS Move or Wii. Its very rarely a game like the Last story comes along to get my attention or a remake of Donkey Kong Country which was my favorite SNES game back when I was 10 years old. I grew up on Nintendo and I owned about 30 NES titles and 25 SNES titles. I also buy over 20 games a year and spend at least 50 hours a week gaming so I think that entitles me to hardcore status. I've owned every Nintendo consol ever made but this gen Nintendo has not provided for me so thats why I would say things OP is complaining about. Its not that I hate Nintendo its because I don't care for what they provide. There is only so many Marios and Zeldas you can play before it gets old and I'd say that about any other series that has too many games in the series weither its Sony, MS or Nintendo.