I think they are mainly talking about nintendos aparent inabilatly to create new iP's :p

I think it is jealousy that PS360 are getting great support from third parties, while WIi is either left in the cold or they get a version that is far weaker, but to be fair you cant blame 3rd parties totally, nobody told Ninty to make a console using last gen tech OR its Ninty, they have been around for a while so the fans may be more emotionally attached

You have to try something first to see if you like it and I bought a Wii for Zelda Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy. Both games that I only got half ways through.

The Virtual Console's Hanobi festival has allowed for many games not originally released in the West, and in particular Europe, to be put up on the VC.  Examples include Sin and Punishment, Ogre Battle 64, Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger.  There is no such equivilent on the PSN, games like Xenogears, Chrono Cross as well as non Square-Enix games such as the Arc the Lad PSX games that weren't originally launched in Europe,  aren't and won't be on the EU PSN.    

The thing is that Sony don't need to do anything to allow these games on the EU PSN if they follow the model used by Nintendo with import VC games.  For example, almost no translation was involved (the exception was the menus in Sin and Punishment) and the games weren't even optimised for 50hz.  All that Sony have to do is submit the games for rating by PEGI and then upload then to the PSN.  When it occurred to me that such games aren't coming to the EU PSN and that PSX games are region locked, even on the region free PS3, I decided to import an NTSC PSX with 10 games (Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Valkyrie Profile, Tactics Ogre, Arc the Lad I-III, Dragon Quest/Warrior VII, Tales of Destiny and Tales of Eternia/Destiny II.  I've never regretted that decision, despite it being quite costly.

If It's jealousy on the part of nintendo fans, why is it always the nintendo haters hating on nintendo? Nintendo fans rarely have anything to say about the PS360. If PS360 fans have all this great 3rd party suport, why even worry about nintendo?

My absolute favorite one is: I hate the Wii because I hate motion controls. So when asked why they support PlayStation Move they say: but these motion controls are accurate. Golden.

Well to be fair, the MOve is more accurate than the Wiimote( just the wiimote, not with M+) maybe people didnt like the limitations???

So, after I pointed out most of the new IPs that Nintendo has created this gen (a few of them labeled "hardcore") and the way to play at least some of the unlocalized ones, you still respond with the old "too many Mario/Zelda" ? It's like you ignored everything I said... even if you count only the "hardcore" games.

It's perfectly fine if you don't care about Nintendo or Mario/Zelda, just don't try to express that opinion through blanket statements and plain lies, like the kind of comments the OP was mentioning (complaining about sequels being made, not just lack of new IPs). And your personal taste in games or mine is irrelevant in the context of this discussion.

Nintendo has released plenty of games on Wii that are considered "hardcore"/"core" besides Mario/Zelda, like Metroid Prime 3 and Other M, Punch-Out !, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Battalion Wars 2, Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, Kirby games, etc. It's a fact that Nintendo has a lot more that just Mario/Zelda/Pokémon/Donkey Kong, new IPs or old, so like I said before, anyone that repeats that old myth is either a troll or plain ignorant, no different that anyone that claims 360 has just Halo or PS3 has just Gran Turismo and God of War.

And I don't know whether you are one of the very few gamers that genuinely doesn't like sequels, but even if you are, you're in the far minority. Metal Gear Solid 4, Street Fighter IV, Tekken 6, Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2/Versus XIII, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Soul Calibur V, Sonic Generations, Mega Man 10, Ninja Gaiden 3, Devil May Cry, GTA IV, etc have plenty of PS3/360 owners interested in them. Furthermore, as it was mentioned before, many other publishers have been releasing sequels much more frequently than Nintendo does. Also, how is it that every game with Mario/Zelda on the name is the same regardless of its genre or execution, but somehow, Metal Gear Solid is completely different from Metal Gear or every Street Fighter is different ? All this is pure hypocrisy, and I've seen it by myself many times. There's almost no gaming company that doesn't make sequels/remakes and almost no gamer that doesn't like some of them, so why is Nintendo singled out here ?

By the way, I also started playing games in the NES era and I never felt the need to call myself "hardcore" or any other similar term, and I don't think that my opinion is worth more because of my experience. Sure, it might be a more "educated" one, but an opinion is still an opinion, subjective by definition. Also, like I said before, many of the self-proclaimed "hardcore" gamers don't live up to their own elitism, either because of their limited knowledge regarding any game "non-mainstream", their complete focus on only 2 or 3 genres, or the complete ignorance of anything that came before them (some of them being also quite young...). But as I said before, the whole concept of "hardcore" is so ridiculously ambiguous that everyone has their own definition of it...

PS: I know you said you weren't going to argue more, but these points are the same ones I argued before and I can't believe they aren't crystal clear by now... But well, I'll shut up now, unless someone has a question for me.

Ah, but you see the thing is, regardless of how accurate PS Move might be in comparison to the Wii Remote, you (not necessarily yourself, the people I'm referring to) don't like motion controls, so by default you should not care for, or be supporting the PlaysStation Move peripheral. Or Kinect for that matter.

See what I'm getting at? You shouldn't care how accurate it is because it's motion controls, which you hate.