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Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
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Keys distributed online.  Again, can't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

That's like me giving my friend the address to another friends house to send a birthday card... and then be thrown in jail for murder when the guy freaking murders him.

People who misuse information are the only people who get punished for it.  Not those who provide it.

when did we start talking about penalties? you were implying that geohot had no part in the piracy i was correcting that

He didn't have any part in the piracy.

Unless you want to claim that Sony "had a part in the piracy"[sic] by creating the PS3.



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KungKras on 31 May 2011

He sounds like Al Quaida

xD



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Rpruett on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
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Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

"Someone later may have used those keys to pirate" o_O you mean the keys he distributed online? or his house keys?


Keys distributed online.  Again, can't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

That's like me giving my friend the address to another friends house to send a birthday card... and then be thrown in jail for murder when the guy freaking murders him.

People who misuse information are the only people who get punished for it.  Not those who provide it.

Again,   You would get in trouble for releasing work related information in a variety of fields in the United States.  Anything related to the medical field, releasing information can get you fired, black balled, legally have action brought on you (Criminal / Civil ) .  

If you worked for a Bank as a safe operator and told someone the combination to the safe while they proceeded to rob the bank(You would be considered an accomplice).

If you worked for Lockheed Martin or a variety of other places and released trade secrets, you would not be able to freely release information or you could be facing the consequences which could be in the form of a variety of ways.

 

Releasing Trade Secrets is a punishable offense and a worthy one for Sony to go after.   This isn't a Sony unique thing either,  Apple didn't like it when he did stuff with their phone either.   No company wants to watch their products go up in smoke.



Crystalchild on 31 May 2011
A203D said:

These guys got beef with Sony, take it up legally with Sony in court - dont take it out on consumers and developers who dont want anything to do with it!


^so much this! -.- .. damn hackers, got beaten up in school and want to hang the balls out now were they can act anonymous or what?



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MrT-Tar on 31 May 2011

my reaction:




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o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
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deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.

depends on how you interpret it he could also have been talking about the spread of it "everyone i know"

Which again... would be irrelevent.  Anectdotes don't = data.

wheres the data for this ? : "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

other than what he said? especially now that we know for certain that he isn't bothered by lying

You do realize that his firmware is online right now right...

Don't believe everyone?  Download it and check it out.

o_O im no hacker i wouldn't know what to do with it but regardless maybe his custom firmware could have cured cancer it doesn't matter because he also posted keys online that allowed the console to be unlocked for any malicious purposes the user wanted



LivingMetal on 31 May 2011
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RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.



And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?

How did anything Sony do check anything having to do with unsanctioned mods and piracy?

If anything, they just made the the mods and piracy WORSE because now they're a big bullseye.

So we need a "moderate" amount of immorality in our society to appease the wrongdoers?

Sony made themselves a target by doing something immoral... and again...

Explain how this in anyway stopped piracy or unsanctioned mods.  There is nothing wrong or illegal about unsanctioned mods by the way.


It's your OPINION that Sony did something immoral.  The bottom line is that most evil doers are going to fight back when confronted, and that's what's going on.  And it doesn't excuse them for what they were doing if things will get worse when confronted.  And let's assume you are correct that Sony are being immoral here.  Two wrong NEVER make a right.  So still no excuse for these particular hackers.  So let's be reasonable here.



Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
Rpruett said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

"Someone later may have used those keys to pirate" o_O you mean the keys he distributed online? or his house keys?


Keys distributed online.  Again, can't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

That's like me giving my friend the address to another friends house to send a birthday card... and then be thrown in jail for murder when the guy freaking murders him.

People who misuse information are the only people who get punished for it.  Not those who provide it.

Again,   You would get in trouble for releasing work related information in a variety of fields in the United States.  Anything related to the medical field, releasing information can get you fired, black balled, legally have action brought on you (Criminal / Civil ) .  

If you worked for a Bank as a safe operator and told someone the combination to the safe (You would be considered an accomplice).

If you worked for Lockheed Martin or a variety of other places and released trade secrets, you would not be able to freely release information or you could be facing the consequences.


Releasing Trade Secrets is a punishable offense and a worthy one for Sony to go after.   This isn't a Sony unique thing either,  Apple didn't like it when he did stuff with their phone either. 

And Apple lost.

As for the rest... those aren't remotely relevent.  Do I really need to go into why?  I mean you weren't being serious right?

 



LivingMetal on 31 May 2011
RolStoppable said:
LivingMetal said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.

And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?

Piracy didn't affect consumers during the PS1 and PS2 days, so it's highly doubtful that it would be different this time...


Right there...  It effected the Dreamcast.  Awesome system.  We don't need it happening again, ever.  So I stand up for gaming.



vlad321 on 31 May 2011
badgenome said:
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Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.

Geohotz was wrong because he paid for his legal defense with money donated by other people, while Sony used its own resources.

I wonder how many of the people would be directly afefcted had Sony won something that says things you buy yourself are not yours to modify. My guess is all of them.



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