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Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
The Fury said:
Kasz216 said:

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.

He still released it in the end. Difference is, Sony did it there can only be them to blame for their stupidity of simple security procedures. It took someone of more stupidity to create a CF that could be exploited in such a mannor.

It took someone of more stupidity to create a CF that could be exploited in such a mannor.

I'm not one to usually pick on spelling and grammer as mine sucks... but i mean... come on.

And no... you literally did not provide any difference there.



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Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
vlad321 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.


well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online... in a situation like this people would tend to question your intentions if your actions completely contradict what you say you stand for

in addition to that yes he said that his firmware was supposed to stop piracy but he also said that he didn't know what psn is ( even though his video uploaded before this statement had psn as a tag )... to say that what he said should be used as an ascertion of his actually intentions is nonsensical

Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.

you completely missed the point the issue wasn't about sony's retaliation of the legality of posting the keys or what ever - it was about kasz implying that geohot did nothing to cause piracy or online cheating which is nonsense.... this :

"his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy"

"well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online"

way to run off topic man



Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
vlad321 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.


well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online... in a situation like this people would tend to question your intentions if your actions completely contradict what you say you stand for

in addition to that yes he said that his firmware was supposed to stop piracy but he also said that he didn't know what psn is ( even though his video uploaded before this statement had psn as a tag )... to say that what he said should be used as an ascertion of his actually intentions is nonsensical

Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.

you completely missed the point the issue wasn't about sony's retaliation of the legality of posting the keys or what ever - it was about kasz implying that geohot did nothing to cause piracy or online cheating which is nonsense.... this :

"his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy"

"well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online"

way to run off topic man

Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.

depends on how you interpret it he could also have been talking about the spread of it "everyone i know"



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brendude13 on 31 May 2011
Galaki said:
brendude13 said:

"Another one who thinks people don't have the right to hack stuff that belongs to them?"

I believe you said this?

Unless they are using it for homebrew (which is very unlikely), they will be using it to pirate games and bring the Playstation Network to its knees...And you support this.

In Canada, there's a special tax on blank cd/dvd that the Canadian version of RIAA get a chunk of. That's right, every blank disc, they get money, regardless of its usage because it is assume you're buying the blanks to pirate music.

That's where you want it go, right?

Now now, lets not exaggerate.

Lets just say 10% of those CD's will be used for piracy, whereas 90% of hacked PS3's will be used for piracy.

Throw PSN into the equation which not only affects SONY but it also affects the consumer dramatically.

They aren't even on the same scale...



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
vlad321 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.


well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online... in a situation like this people would tend to question your intentions if your actions completely contradict what you say you stand for

in addition to that yes he said that his firmware was supposed to stop piracy but he also said that he didn't know what psn is ( even though his video uploaded before this statement had psn as a tag )... to say that what he said should be used as an ascertion of his actually intentions is nonsensical

Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.

you completely missed the point the issue wasn't about sony's retaliation of the legality of posting the keys or what ever - it was about kasz implying that geohot did nothing to cause piracy or online cheating which is nonsense.... this :

"his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy"

"well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online"

way to run off topic man

Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

"Someone later may have used those keys to pirate" o_O you mean the keys he distributed online? or his house keys?



Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.

depends on how you interpret it he could also have been talking about the spread of it "everyone i know"

Which again... would be irrelevent.  Anectdotes don't = data.



The Fury on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:

It took someone of more stupidity to create a CF that could be exploited in such a mannor.

I'm not one to usually pick on spelling and grammer as mine sucks... but i mean... come on.

And no... you literally did not provide any difference there.

Fair enough. I still view him as in the wrong even if you have bested me.

Sorry about the grammar/spelling mistake ('manner', that's the only mistake in that sentence). Typing too fast and not proof reading.



Hmm, pie.

Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:

Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

"Someone later may have used those keys to pirate" o_O you mean the keys he distributed online? or his house keys?


Keys distributed online.  Again, can't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

That's like me giving my friend the address to another friends house to send a birthday card... and then be thrown in jail for murder when the guy freaking murders him.

People who misuse information are the only people who get punished for it.  Not those who provide it.