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vlad321 said:

Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.

Geohotz was wrong because he paid for his legal defense with money donated by other people, while Sony used its own resources.



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The Fury said:
Kasz216 said:

It took someone of more stupidity to create a CF that could be exploited in such a mannor.

I'm not one to usually pick on spelling and grammer as mine sucks... but i mean... come on.

And no... you literally did not provide any difference there.

Fair enough. I still view him as in the wrong even if you have bested me.

Sorry about the grammar/spelling mistake ('manner', that's the only mistake in that sentence). Typing too fast and not proof reading.


So in otherwords... you've literally admitted being proven wrong... yet refuse to change your position.

Well, at least your honest.  Saves 5 pages.



RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.



And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?



LivingMetal said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.



And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?

How did anything Sony do check anything having to do with unsanctioned mods and piracy?

If anything, they just made the the mods and piracy WORSE because now they're a big bullseye.



brendude13 said:
Galaki said:
brendude13 said:

"Another one who thinks people don't have the right to hack stuff that belongs to them?"

I believe you said this?

Unless they are using it for homebrew (which is very unlikely), they will be using it to pirate games and bring the Playstation Network to its knees...And you support this.

In Canada, there's a special tax on blank cd/dvd that the Canadian version of RIAA get a chunk of. That's right, every blank disc, they get money, regardless of its usage because it is assume you're buying the blanks to pirate music.

That's where you want it go, right?

Now now, lets not exaggerate.

Lets just say 10% of those CD's will be used for piracy, whereas 90% of hacked PS3's will be used for piracy.

Throw PSN into the equation which not only affects SONY but it also affects the consumer dramatically.

They aren't even on the same scale...

There's a push to impose a tax on flash cards. Something like $3 on an 8GB sd card.

Again, just because someone else make use of the same tool illegally shouldn't penalize you. Why the hell do you have to pay $3 tax but you didn't use it to pirate music? And you have to pay $3 even if you use it for your camera? Etc...

The point is that, how you use the tool dictate whether it's good or bad. Find a way to penalize the ones that do wrong instead of lumping everyone together and assume everyone did wrong.

Cars kill people all the time, but you don't see cars being illegal. We penalize the bad drivers.



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Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.

depends on how you interpret it he could also have been talking about the spread of it "everyone i know"

Which again... would be irrelevent.  Anectdotes don't = data.

wheres the data for this ? : "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

other than what he said? especially now that we know for certain that he isn't bothered by lying

 



Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.



And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?

How did anything Sony do check anything having to do with unsanctioned mods and piracy?

If anything, they just made the the mods and piracy WORSE because now they're a big bullseye.


So we need a "moderate" amount of immorality in our society to appease the wrongdoers?



Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Which again... didn't cause piracy.  Someone later may have used those keys to pirate....

He didn't.  That simple.

You don't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

"Someone later may have used those keys to pirate" o_O you mean the keys he distributed online? or his house keys?


Keys distributed online.  Again, can't penalize people for other people being jackasses.

That's like me giving my friend the address to another friends house to send a birthday card... and then be thrown in jail for murder when the guy freaking murders him.

People who misuse information are the only people who get punished for it.  Not those who provide it.

when did we start talking about penalties? you were implying that geohot had no part in the piracy i was correcting that



o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

No... it's actually a lot less relevent... because he was saying it in regards to legality of custom firmware.

Which... outside of personal experience not at all being representative... what most people use it for is completely irrelevent.

Most people use bongs to smoke illegal drugs out of.  Bongs are not illegal because they have legal uses.

Heck, unlike homebrew where the legal use is a positive... the legal uses of bongs are do nothing but make smoking tobacco worse.  I mean i can't think of one positive legal use a bong has.

depends on how you interpret it he could also have been talking about the spread of it "everyone i know"

Which again... would be irrelevent.  Anectdotes don't = data.

wheres the data for this ? : "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"

other than what he said? especially now that we know for certain that he isn't bothered by lying

You do realize that his firmware is online right now right...

Don't believe everyone?  Download it and check it out.



LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
RolStoppable said:

Sony's stubbornness is the cause of all this. If they hadn't picked this fight, then their consumers wouldn't have suffered.



And consumers would have not suffered when unsanctioned mods and piracy goes unchecked?

How did anything Sony do check anything having to do with unsanctioned mods and piracy?

If anything, they just made the the mods and piracy WORSE because now they're a big bullseye.

So we need a "moderate" amount of immorality in our society to appease the wrongdoers?

Sony made themselves a target by doing something immoral... and again...

Explain how this in anyway stopped piracy or unsanctioned mods.  There is nothing wrong or illegal about unsanctioned mods by the way.