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LivingMetal on 31 May 2011

My consumer rights have been violated by these hacker.  It's that simple.



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Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.



Galaki on 31 May 2011
brendude13 said:

"Another one who thinks people don't have the right to hack stuff that belongs to them?"

I believe you said this?

Unless they are using it for homebrew (which is very unlikely), they will be using it to pirate games and bring the Playstation Network to its knees...And you support this.

In Canada, there's a special tax on blank cd/dvd that the Canadian version of RIAA get a chunk of. That's right, every blank disc, they get money, regardless of its usage because it is assume you're buying the blanks to pirate music.

That's where you want it go, right?



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deskpro2k3 on 31 May 2011

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no



Kasz216 on 31 May 2011
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?



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The Fury on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.

He still released it in the end. Difference is, Sony did it there can only be them to blame for their stupidity of simple security procedures. It took someone of more stupidity to create a CF that could be exploited in such a mannor.



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Lyrikalstylez on 31 May 2011

Let me Download my free games first, ass whipes!!!



o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.


well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online... in a situation like this people would tend to question your intentions if your actions completely contradict what you say you stand for

in addition to that yes he said that his firmware was supposed to stop piracy but he also said that he didn't know what psn is ( even though his video uploaded before this statement had psn as a tag )... to say that what he said should be used as an ascertion of his actually intentions is nonsensical



vlad321 on 31 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
The Fury said:
NJ5 said:

I think your distinction between hardware and software is wrong, both from a personal perspective and the legal perspective. It is legal to reverse engineer and alter software just as much as hardware (as long as no copyright laws are broken by distributing the altered software of course).

If he was a good person he would have told Sony about this obvious flaw, let them fix it with an update and never updated his PS3 so he can create all the homebrew he wants. Sony might have thanked him for that.


That would be the common procedure in the security community for security flaws in server software, but not when it's just about a jailbreak of a gadget which doesn't put any data at risk.

Did he not distribute the master code? Did he distribute customer firmware? If he did either of these he is in breach of those copyright laws.

The data at risk is in the form of software made and programmed by thousands of people the world over, whether it's the music contained within or the character designs. It's all contribution to a peice of work that could be stolen 'data'. This might not be data in the form of personal information on Joe Bloggs but it's still data at risk. Mr Hotz said he is against piracy, so he is surely security minded, he's contridicting himself by releasing how to pirate software on PS3 (even if he says it's for homebrew).

You do know that his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?

If your going to blame piracy on him for his firmware being hacked... then logically you have to blame the piracy on Sony... for having their firmware hacked.

Which would mean piracy was all Sony's fault.


well that would be totally awesome if he didn't in addition to that distribute the medlr keys allowing the console to be completely unlocked online... in a situation like this people would tend to question your intentions if your actions completely contradict what you say you stand for

in addition to that yes he said that his firmware was supposed to stop piracy but he also said that he didn't know what psn is ( even though his video uploaded before this statement had psn as a tag )... to say that what he said should be used as an ascertion of his actually intentions is nonsensical

Every time I buy a knife, the manufacturers and retialers allow me to go and kill a bunch of people. Sure they say they are against it, but given how good a knife is at what it does I feel like they say one thing and do another.

I think they should be sued and all forms of knives outlawed.



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o_O.Q on 31 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

everyone i know that jailbreak their ps3 is pirating games. hell, one of my friends asked me to borrow some of my games to copy... hell no

Which is... completely irrelevent?

what he said is no less relevant than this "his custom firmware specifically disabled piracy right?"