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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
Total:468

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I also admit I have a flaw throughout this whole ordeal. I continue to say "him" and call him my brother. According to his license and everything else (besides the birth certficate) he is listed as a female.

I am still in an adjustment phase when it comes to that. I called him my brother for almost 25 years. I tend to say "Hey what's going on?" instead of calling by name.



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Euphoria14 said:

I believe it is not a choice and I have my beliefs as to why and those beliefs came from experience.

 

Growing up in my household was tough at time because ever since my brother was around 3-4 years old he would constantly get caught taking my sisters and/or mothers clothing and wearing them. Whenever this happened he would get yelled at by my parents.

Now some may think that is mean, but it is understandable for a parent to freak out when their son thinks he is their daughter. This continued all throughout his life until he was about 25 years old. That is when he decided to move away and told us it was because he did not feel comfortable living a lie.

We asked what he meant and he told us it was because all his life he has felt like a woman trapped in a mans body. He was upset when he would get yelled at for trying to be who he felt he was supposed to be. Of course we stayed in contact as I love my family regardless of the choices they make or who they want to be.

 

After years of being away he recently moved back here. He had his named legally changed, took medication to develop breasts and now does modeling.

 

I doubt he could do all of this because he made a choice to become transgender. He was able to do all of this because that is who he really was. That is what he always felt, and now that he took that leap and decided to live his life the way he felt he was meant to he is now happier than I have ever seen and also much more confident.

Making a choice to just start being gay as opposed to being born that way does not yield these kinds of results. I don't care what anyone says.

That's pretty cool, that you're okay with him (or her) being who he really wants to be, I'm thinking a lot of people would completely freak out... How'd your parents react?



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Mummelmann said:
pizzahut451 said:
Mummelmann said:

Why does it seem like so many straight (especially men) people are scared of gay people? They must be awfully insecure about themselves. Even though I'm straight myself, I still take it as a compliment if a man finds me attractive, as much as if a woman does and it doesn't freak me out.

It seems like a lot of people carry around the misconception that gay people are sexual deviants who will;

A: Rape your ass any chance they get.

B: Are sexually aroused by any and all members of the same sex without exceptions, they have no sexual preference it seems (not to be mistaken for sexual orientation).

Also note that women are considerably more tolerant with lesbians than heterosexual men are with homosexual men, this is a male problem, predominantly. There are even men who like to watch lesbians have sex and hate on gay men at the same time because its "gross" and "unnatural". Most of the lesbians I know have a lot of straight friends while most of the gay men I know have very few straight friends. You all just need to grow up. Discrimination based on ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, social status or appearance is to be regarded as equally unjust and childish imo.


I am not gonna say anything about your argument, but please dont act like you are better and more ''grown up'' than people who don't like to be around gay people. That itself is discrimination.

I am more grown up than those people, its not an act.

Is it discrimination to point out the lunacy of irrational fear and hatred? Hating and shunning someone for their sexual orientation is discriminatory, pointing out that it is is not. By your logic, I can't tell people who hate all black people (KKK for instance) that their hate is irrational and unfair since its discrimination.

If I were to bash someones basis for the hatred and fear, say having read the bible and believeing in god, that would be discrimination. Clearly, that is not what I'm doing. Hate on gay people all you want, but I reserve the right to think myself the more grown up on the subject at hand. Am I a better person? Impossible to say, I harbour no such illusions. I fear and hate certain things as well but there's a reason behind it all. There is no reason to hate and/or fear gay people.


No, you are not. You just think you are because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with gays is homophobe and evil. As much as you find hard to believe, there are people who arent comftorbale with people who behave like homosexuals, and they dont have to be looked down upon by people like you.



pizzahut451 said:


No, you are not. You just think you are because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with gays is homophobe and evil. As much as you find hard to believe, there are people who arent comftorbale with people who behave like homosexuals, and they dont have to be looked down upon by people like you.

There are also people who aren't comfortable around blacks. They shouldn't be looked down upon either I suppose, no?



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pizzahut451: There's a difference between "being in love with gays" and generally simply accepting them for what they are (equals). Polarizing the points does nothing to improve your point. I have never pointed out that people who hate on gays are evil either, that's simply a strawman, a damn visible one at that.

Also, I'll have you know that the society I live in does not agree with me most of the time, both in this issue and others. When you get older, perhaps you'll learn to see nuances in life and hopefully accept people for who they are. At this rate, you can't complain if someone does not accept you for some arbitrary reason. 18 year olds know little to nothing about maturity in my experience and your arguments and posts in this thread reflect that.



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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


No, you are not. You just think you are because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with gays is homophobe and evil. As much as you find hard to believe, there are people who arent comftorbale with people who behave like homosexuals, and they dont have to be looked down upon by people like you.

There are also people who aren't comfortable around blacks. They shouldn't be looked down upon either I suppose, no?


No one is supposed to be looked down upon for their views as long as they dont try to force thier views on others. Also, note, there is a difference between ''behaving like'' reasons to be uncomfrotable around someone, and be uncomfrotable around someone because of thier race.   



pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


No, you are not. You just think you are because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with gays is homophobe and evil. As much as you find hard to believe, there are people who arent comftorbale with people who behave like homosexuals, and they dont have to be looked down upon by people like you.

There are also people who aren't comfortable around blacks. They shouldn't be looked down upon either I suppose, no?


No one is supposed to be looked down upon for their views as long as they dont try to force thier views on others. Also, note, there is a difference between ''behaving like'' reasons to be uncomfrotable around someone, and be uncomfrotable around someone because of thier race.   

People who are uncomfortable with gays do try to force their views on others through discrimination, persecution and making laws to facilitate that.

Also you just think people who are uncomfortable around someone because of their race are bad because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with non-whites is evil.



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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Mummelmann said:

pizzahut451: There's a difference between "being in love with gays" and generally simply accepting them for what they are (equals). Polarizing the points does nothing to improve your point. I have never pointed out that people who hate on gays are evil either, that's simply a strawman, a damn visible one at that.

Also, I'll have you know that the society I live in does not agree with me most of the time, both in this issue and others. When you get older, perhaps you'll learn to see nuances in life and hopefully accept people for who they are. At this rate, you can't complain if someone does not accept you for some arbitrary reason. 18 year olds know little to nothing about maturity in my experience and your arguments and posts in this thread reflect that.


I am fine with both people who accept them around them and people who don't. You sympathize them as much as you want, but dont look down upon who arent comfrotable near them. People like that simply not comfrotable near gays, thats in thier nature, and they are in prety damn big majority. They dont dicriminate or hate them, but they simply dont like being near someone who acts like homosexual.

And nice job at poking at my age to prove my arguments as invaild. Most original and respectful argument in the internet.



sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


No, you are not. You just think you are because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with gays is homophobe and evil. As much as you find hard to believe, there are people who arent comftorbale with people who behave like homosexuals, and they dont have to be looked down upon by people like you.

There are also people who aren't comfortable around blacks. They shouldn't be looked down upon either I suppose, no?


No one is supposed to be looked down upon for their views as long as they dont try to force thier views on others. Also, note, there is a difference between ''behaving like'' reasons to be uncomfrotable around someone, and be uncomfrotable around someone because of thier race.   

People who are uncomfortable with gays do try to force their views on others through discrimination, persecution and making laws to facilitate that.

Also you just think people who are uncomfortable around someone because of their race are bad because the socitey or community you live in makes people think everyone who isnt in love with non-whites is evil.

Oh so now, being uncomfortable with gays - discrimination? You people are fucking amazing, the way you guys spin words and definitions to prove your terribly weak points is just jaw dropping. When you dont like the behaviour and/or personality of one person do you not mind him being near you? You do? I guess you just discriminate people than... And funny you generalized all the people who are uncomforatable with gays as forcing their views on everyone.Nice generalization really

As for your second paragraph...well, there just are no words, I let the Billy Madison tells you.

http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0



Cheebee said:
Euphoria14 said:

I believe it is not a choice and I have my beliefs as to why and those beliefs came from experience.

 

Growing up in my household was tough at time because ever since my brother was around 3-4 years old he would constantly get caught taking my sisters and/or mothers clothing and wearing them. Whenever this happened he would get yelled at by my parents.

Now some may think that is mean, but it is understandable for a parent to freak out when their son thinks he is their daughter. This continued all throughout his life until he was about 25 years old. That is when he decided to move away and told us it was because he did not feel comfortable living a lie.

We asked what he meant and he told us it was because all his life he has felt like a woman trapped in a mans body. He was upset when he would get yelled at for trying to be who he felt he was supposed to be. Of course we stayed in contact as I love my family regardless of the choices they make or who they want to be.

 

After years of being away he recently moved back here. He had his named legally changed, took medication to develop breasts and now does modeling.

 

I doubt he could do all of this because he made a choice to become transgender. He was able to do all of this because that is who he really was. That is what he always felt, and now that he took that leap and decided to live his life the way he felt he was meant to he is now happier than I have ever seen and also much more confident.

Making a choice to just start being gay as opposed to being born that way does not yield these kinds of results. I don't care what anyone says.

That's pretty cool, that you're okay with him (or her) being who he really wants to be, I'm thinking a lot of people would completely freak out... How'd your parents react?


They are actually still uncomfortable with the whole situation. They still say to him that he is their son and that his name is still Jason. From the outside looking in it may seem really mean, but in their shoes it must be tougher than any of us could imagine.

To think of your first born child, your son, raising him for 25 years and trying your best to do what is right for him, only to then have to accept that your son is now your daughter...



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