Announce titles with a 2011 release date should be included in all debates where we talk about games comming out in 2011. It's likely that 1 or two Kinect titles become delayed to 2012, but that goes for Sony as well. The Last Guardian was delayed from a fall 2011 as well as a fall 2010 title, and in the past GT5 and LittleBigPlanet 2 were delayed into the following years. We can't assume 360 will see more delayed games then PS3. For all we know, at E3 they may announce more.

It's only logical and fair to include all relatively major software released. If you include Twisted Metal, a game which was originally planned to be an Arcade game, then you must include Steel Batallion and Rise of Nightmares for Kinect, which have always been full retail titles.

Again, I never said PS3 did not have more exclusive titles for 2011, we are only debating the comment I made that "PS3 and 360 have about the same number of exclusives titles comming out." So stop including Killzone 3, LittleBigPlanet 2, SOCOM, MLB, Yakuza 4 and so on.

Also get your facts straight. No More Heros is not a PS3 exclusive, Sorcery, and FF XIII Versus are 2012 titles, and Starhawk is only rumored.

You can't speculate on 2012, just because MS hasn't announced anything for 2012 doesn't mean there will be no more 360 exclusives after Project Kingdos. 2012 is too much to speculate, Sony often announce games years before release, but with the exception of Fable 2, Microsoft tends to announce games 1-2 years in adance. After E3 we can talk about 2012.

You keep avoiding the topic that were questioning, and include a whole bunch of PS3 titles that are either rumored or planed for a 2012 release. Stop it.

Again I am not debating 2011 total sales, just fall 2011. Game wise it's 8 to 6 for 360, and 360 titles will likely sell more software combined. As for 2011 total sales, if Halo CE Remake is real and a 2011 title, 360 software sales will still be higher, even though PS3's gamecount will be higher overall.

Ive had both since the beginning, but better yet, ive owned a PC since the beginning D:

Sure if there were two games coming out on the Xbox 360 and however many games coming out on the PS3 that might be the case. Unfortunately there are a couple of dozen great multiplatform games coming too and that kinda waters down the Sony exclusive lineup given most people would be hard pressed to buy more than 2-3 games in a year.

bottom line is, ps3 only owners will vote no, and 360 only owners will vote yes o_O

PS3 has 15-16 games waiting to arrive, but only 6 more for 2011, which is what I'm debating. 2012 is too far away to speculate, especally before E3.

Neither Kinect or Move have AA titles? Dance Central is AAA, Sorcery will likely be 80% Plus, Project Dragon (likely a Panzer Dragoon pinoff), Steel Batallion and at least 1 other Kinect tiles will be 80% Plus, with at least 1 being AAA. I mean out of the 6 Kinect games I listed, it's unlikely more then 3 of them will get scores below 8/10.

As for console sales, why is this comming up? It's still 8 to 6 games for fall 2011. I agree with you overall yearly sales will be in favor of PS3, but 360 will catch up this fall, just like it did last.

all i can say is you have been talking out of both sides of your mouth like crazy.

is that intentional, or do you seriously not read what you write.

im sorry but this is getting hilarious, in a really sad way

This. Not only that, but few exclusives make X360 owners buy more multi-platform games. Good for third-parties, good for XBLA. It's all good.

Dance Central is NOT AAA. A AAA title involves an above industry standard budget from the publisher and is expected to have a large following (Which means high risk investment with expectation of high profits). Dance Central is not AAA, the Michael Jackson Experience is not AAA, Just Dance is not AAA. They are casual titles which are cheaper to create and still have a high expectation of profit. The commercials for the titles probably cost more than their development budgets. The game was mostly mo-capped, the dancers did the majority of the work for the animators. A hardcore game is built from the ground up, where-as casual titles on something like the Kinect is mostly mo-capped or have simple animations. This is a breath of fresh air for the big publisher who wants to save money like Activision, THQ, Ubisoft, EA and the other usual notable multiplatform names. The average next gen multiplatform title budget is 20-30 million dollars. High profile AAA titles (The minority) like Modern Warfare, Mass Effect, Uncharted and their Ilk cost around 40-70 million dollars to make because of the amount of developers it takes to make those games, especially when sequels need to be produced at a specific speed (usually two year increments). Ratings don't mean the game is AAA, it doesn't have the budget nor the notable following to be considered AAA. Lower than 8.5 ratings usually hurt the credibility of a AAA title in the eyes of the average reading consumer, but it doesnt change the budget.

Read this so you can understand the difference because I dont believe you get it just yet:

http://www.thekoalition.com/2010/09/kinect-and-move-development-is-cheaper-will-game-quality-decline/

Glad thats all cleared up. Now if I can get back to the truth of the matter, the 360 is back at 2 AAA exclusives (Gears 3 and Forza 4) for the year going up against InFamous 2, Uncharted 3, Twisted Metal, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, LBP 2 and The Last Guardian is up in the air between holiday 2011 and early next year. Those are the only AAA exclusives between the PS3 and 360 for the year. The rest are Move/Kinect titles and other exclusives.

It is rumored for sure that two more Sony AAA exclusives will be revealed. One is heavily claimed to be Heavenly Sword 2. Hope Microsoft has something big planned. They have one month left before E3.

He was making excuses for the 360's lack of exclusives. I am completely sure that if the 360 had more exclusives than the PS3 he'd note it. If a consumer values a multiplatform over an exclusive they will buy it and vice versa. We already know that the most valuable game across consoles is multiplatform, but AAA exclusives are highly popular with consumers and give consoles identity. Those is obviously why the hot AAA exclusives are selling over 2 million copies and up regardless of console. The PS3 just has more of them and thats why they are pulling closer in sales to the 360 every year.

Okay, I'll agree with you about AAA. In that case, for my debate with others on this thread, I have stated that the number of AAA titles being released this fall for PS3 is three (Uncharted 3, InFamous 2, and Resistance 3), and for 360 it's 2 (Gears 3 and Forza 4). I don't know the exact budgets for Twisted Metal and some of the larger Kinect titles like Steel Batallion, ut I would assume they are about the same.

My point is PS3 has 3 AAA titles, I wouldn't consider Twisted Metal AAA because it started life as an Arcade title, and by observing the level of graphical detail, we can easily see less development has gone into this title then Motorstorm. I mean when you shoot a building's corner support, why does the entire building fall? The only difference I see in terms of gamelay quality between this game as say Battle Tanks for N64 is the graphics, and even then Twisted Metal falls far short for an HD game.

As for The Last Guardian, it's delayed to 2012, it won't come out in 2011. As for Killzone 3 and LBP2, they are already out. I am not debating the total number of AAA titles for PS3 and 360 for the entire year, just upcoming.

I believe it was you who said PS3 has significantly more games comming out for the system, and that's simply not true. For 2011 the matter is 3 to 2 AAA titles in favor of PS3 and 8 to 6 large scale, and likely well rated, exclusives in favor of 360.

Overall, that difference is minor, and for 2012 titles, I think it's far too early to ebate those games. After all Most of Kinects 2011 lineup was only anounced this year, we just don't know exactly what both developers have to offer, especially now that Nintendo has pushed for the 8th generation of gaming early.