The car is a legit analogy. There are limits to what you can do to them before they are considered not legally drivable on public roads. You still have to register a car for offroad use in most states if it falls into this category.

Get creative: you can use a PS3 or any device capable of making complex computations as a "murder weapon." Shortly after the PS2 debuted, Iraq ordered a large number of PS2s with the idea in mind of creating a computer cluster exclusively for military purposes. With the USAF using a cluster of PS3s for unlisted computing purposes, there are clearly military applications for what is at the core a device for making complex computations to include military applications, i.e. neutralizing enemy forces ("murder" if you're that type of person).

But don't make it a pointless "contest" to prove that a computer can't be used as a weapon. What do you think it is that makes modern smart munitions far more effective (read: lethal) on the small end of things? Guided munitions on a slightly larger scale? Strategic defense on the largest scale? Don't pretend to be so naive just to prove a point.

And half the recipes in the Anarchist Cookbook you mention either don't work or are just as likely to do more damage to the idiot using them than anyone else.

And technically if you wanted to post any or all of the information in the Anarchist's Cookbook, you'd be subject to copyright infringement if the author or publishers cared enough to sue.

Ok.  Fight for my rights as a consumer.  Since I pay for games at new retail price, I'm entitled to a hack free online experience since the developers did not intend for their games to be hacked by yahoos.  Also as a consumer who legitimately supports the gaming industry, I should not be penalized by developers passing the cost to me from lost sales of pirated games because of piraters.  There are many ways to combat this.  And one way included is to stop the public distribution of "tools" that allow individuals to hack games, compromising the enjoyment of the online experience and tools that take away the financial incentives for developers to develop games for the enjoyment of gamers (consumers).  Fight for that, but all you are going to do is make excuses by turning a blind eye because this fight for consumers also happen to favor Sony in this case.  Personal agenda over the consumers first, right?  You're not fooling anyone.

I have no issues with people hating the guy because he's an ass, that's their perogative.  It's the mindless hating and blaming him for the woes of PS3 piracy, when in actual fact there are many more guilty parties who have actually done wrong to blame imo.  Sony are chasing the wrong guys...

I agree with you on that, id say they are chasing the wrong guys, but id also say that geo hotz has more publicity than any of the others, maybe they are just setting an example, after all the damage is done i think they are trying to put off anyone else trying

Very true, if they lose on the other hand which is still conceivable then this is going to set some big precidents that Sony really don't want out there.  I think the case is interesting because what Hotz did in my opinion was perfectly legal if not morally right looking at the consequences.  I guess the judge ultimately will decide that though.

Huge implications, but I think Hotz has a pretty good shot at winning. Consider this, if they rule against Hotz, theoretically computers manufactuers could force you to have a certain OS on their system. Want to install Google OS on that laptop, you could become a lawbreaker. Let's say you want to root your Wifi tablet to the latest version of Android, forget about it.

Again have you even read this lawsuit? I feel like a broken record. I will do it in caps this time. SONY IS NOT SUEING FOR PIRACY OR FOR HACKING THE PSN. SONY IS NOT SUEING FOR PIRACY OR HACKING THE PSN. I said it twice on purpose. Sony can sue all the PSN hackers and pirates it wants to. It can not sue somebody for hacking their own devices. Geohot did not do anything to affect your user experience as a consumer, that was all done by other people that SONY IS NOT SUEING. Please read the lawsuit. This is about Geohot hacking his own Ps3 and telling others how to do the same, ie jailbreaking and iphone which is perfectly legal. Its sony's job to secure their network, you would think they would go after those hacking it then huh?

You can do whatever the fuck you want to the car, and post how to do the same on the internet.

Your analogy to try and equate guns and the PS3 is just getting more and more of a long grasp, but if you continue it will be a pretty fucking hilarious stream of thought for a demotivator.

The point is that I can, end of story. I will also not be sued if I only use certain parts of the book at this point since you can't copyright "how to make things go boom."

I see no issue with owning an AK47, M4, M16, etc. Hell I know plenty of people who own fuill-auto versions of those guns, and fully working gernades and C4. The aren't crazy idiots, they  have every intension of using the guns for home defense, and the explosives incase we get invaded or have another revolution. I personally want the 50cal Barret sniper rifle in my local gun shop, or an AK47 myself.

I personally have a love/hate guns relationship with guns. I prefer swords, knives, and bow and arrows as they take true skill to kill someone or something and I can consider them an honorable thing to die. Guns, which are fun as hell to shoot, takes very little skill to actually kill someone as with a 7 - 15 round clip you can just aim from the hip and blow someone away.

And yes, I own 13 swords and about 20 different knives. And eventually going to get a beautiful compound bow. =D

And yes, you should be allowed to fully modify your vehicles with NOS, Turbos, new suspension, stronger engines, blowers, have it lowered, paint it,  add decals, etc. I say f the laws.

You just can't drive it on public roads or register it. Tired of reiterating the same analogies, but you can't log onto PSN or XBL with an illegally modified console either. If caught, they're well within their legal rights to kick you off permanently.

Then keep it simple; there are things consumers can buy that they don't have the legal right "to do whatever the hell they want to them becuase they paid for them" as you would put it. Illegal firearms modifications was just one example that was pretty obvious. You just chose to turn it into a "you can't compare weapons with computers!" argument which was really besides the point.

And yes, computers can be used as weapons. It's illegal to use them to hack into the National Defense Grid too. Of course I'm sure you believe if it's your computer, you can do whatever the hell you want with it or something to that effect.

And yes, you can copyright the recipes in the Anarchist Cookbook, it's right there in black and white on page 2: Copyright 1971 by Lyle Stuart Inc.

"Copyright assigned 1989 to Barricade Books, Inc.

Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 71-127797

All rights reserved, including the right to reproduce this book or any portions thereof in any form."

Someone's read the Anarchist Cookbook and I'm guessing it wasn't you.