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Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 



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fallen said:

Toyota lied about life and death matters relating to it's accelrator issues, and it was proved. You're telling me Sony cant lie about ship numbers that nobody besides a few message board junkies even care about?

Who would even investigate that? "Oh hi FTC, I want you to investigate Sony, a Japanese company with internal documents written in a foriegn language you cant understand, about their unimportant console ship numbers!!!"

FTC: " Are you crazy?"

 

Again look at Toyota, they were very good at stonewalling US investigators about life or death accelerator documents. Forget ever getting to the bottom of meaningless Sony console ship numbers, even if somebody asked, which nobody EVER will.

Sony ship numbers always have seemed suspisciously high, for PSP and PS2 also. This quarter wasnt too bad on PS3, but still high compared to all recorded sales (which we know with certainty from NPD, Media Create, and Nintendo's Europe sales charts from gfk) and we also know from companies like EA fiscal reports that regions outside the USA and Europe account for very little software sales (for EA they were 5% others, North America 50%, Europe 45%)

 





psrock said:
Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 


Ah i didn't see the 1.6m thing!

Well we know for a fact VGC has it at 6.6m for the 3 months. Where as Sony has it at 6.3m. So either way it is over-tracked by a 300k, that number can't be changed or spun. Because it would mean 300k consoles that were not even made were sold, they didn't excist!

But yeah if there are 1.6m PS3's on shelves that is quite laughable. That is like almost 33% of what Sony just said they shipped for the quarter!

I am sure the guys will adjust it down soon enough. If not then just makes the site look a bit pointless if your using company results for 2 of the 3's numbers but not the other one. Should all be judged by the same rules in my opinion.



Hyruken said:
psrock said:
Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 


Ah i didn't see the 1.6m thing!

Well we know for a fact VGC has it at 6.6m for the 3 months. Where as Sony has it at 6.3m. So either way it is over-tracked by a 300k, that number can't be changed or spun. Because it would mean 300k consoles that were not even made were sold, they didn't excist!

But yeah if there are 1.6m PS3's on shelves that is quite laughable. That is like almost 33% of what Sony just said they shipped for the quarter!

I am sure the guys will adjust it down soon enough. If not then just makes the site look a bit pointless if your using company results for 2 of the 3's numbers but not the other one. Should all be judged by the same rules in my opinion.

Ship per quater and sold are two different thing. All consoles sold more last quater than they shipped. They usually have left over stock from the previous quater to work with as the DEC quater is biggest of them all. 



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)

so are the PS2 and PSP undertracked overall i get a little confused with all the numbers and forecasts

and what about software totals do they ever get adjusted overall,no one seems to talk software but how much s/ware sits on shelves,i understand its almost impossible to know or track



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psrock said:
Hyruken said:
psrock said:
Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 


Ah i didn't see the 1.6m thing!

Well we know for a fact VGC has it at 6.6m for the 3 months. Where as Sony has it at 6.3m. So either way it is over-tracked by a 300k, that number can't be changed or spun. Because it would mean 300k consoles that were not even made were sold, they didn't excist!

But yeah if there are 1.6m PS3's on shelves that is quite laughable. That is like almost 33% of what Sony just said they shipped for the quarter!

I am sure the guys will adjust it down soon enough. If not then just makes the site look a bit pointless if your using company results for 2 of the 3's numbers but not the other one. Should all be judged by the same rules in my opinion.

Ship per quater and sold are two different thing. All consoles sold more last quater than they shipped. They usually have left over stock from the previous quater to work with as the DEC quater is biggest of them all. 


Yes i get that. But my point was if your going to have say Microsofts figures based on what Microsoft say in their quarter statements then shouldn't you do the same for the others? Weren't the recent 360 adjustments down to the fact VGC had it a lot higher then what MS said they shipped? If that makes sense.



Hyruken said:
psrock said:
Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 


Ah i didn't see the 1.6m thing!

Well we know for a fact VGC has it at 6.6m for the 3 months. Where as Sony has it at 6.3m. So either way it is over-tracked by a 300k, that number can't be changed or spun. Because it would mean 300k consoles that were not even made were sold, they didn't excist!

But yeah if there are 1.6m PS3's on shelves that is quite laughable. That is like almost 33% of what Sony just said they shipped for the quarter!

I am sure the guys will adjust it down soon enough. If not then just makes the site look a bit pointless if your using company results for 2 of the 3's numbers but not the other one. Should all be judged by the same rules in my opinion.

shipped =/= sold, that's like basic



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Why is the PS2 not gettng any attention?  It is undertracked by..... alot. lol



Hyruken said:
psrock said:
Hyruken said:
psrock said:
Hyruken said:

So to clarify then they shipped 6.3m PS3's right? VGC has the period at almost 6.6m PS3's sold.  Which means we should see it adjusted down by 300k correct?


lol, there is still about 1.6 million PS3 sitting at retail according to Vgchartz. Sony shipped 6.3 plus the previous stock that was already there. In fact we could be undertracting the PS3 by a good 500k. 


Ah i didn't see the 1.6m thing!

Well we know for a fact VGC has it at 6.6m for the 3 months. Where as Sony has it at 6.3m. So either way it is over-tracked by a 300k, that number can't be changed or spun. Because it would mean 300k consoles that were not even made were sold, they didn't excist!

But yeah if there are 1.6m PS3's on shelves that is quite laughable. That is like almost 33% of what Sony just said they shipped for the quarter!

I am sure the guys will adjust it down soon enough. If not then just makes the site look a bit pointless if your using company results for 2 of the 3's numbers but not the other one. Should all be judged by the same rules in my opinion.

Ship per quater and sold are two different thing. All consoles sold more last quater than they shipped. They usually have left over stock from the previous quater to work with as the DEC quater is biggest of them all. 


Yes i get that. But my point was if your going to have say Microsofts figures based on what Microsoft say in their quarter statements then shouldn't you do the same for the others? Weren't the recent 360 adjustments down to the fact VGC had it a lot higher then what MS said they shipped? If that makes sense.

what were the adjustment? All I know is, we basicly had the 360 with about 300k stock left around the world. 

to make things clearer.

 

Acoording to VGCHARTZ:

PS3 14,443,529 ( 11%) 46,345,856
X360 13,756,638 ( 36%) 50,538,641

So MS shipped 50.8 million 360's in 2010, we have them selling all with just about 300k left world wide.

While Sony shipped 47.9 PS3 and we have them sell 46.3 million with 1.6 million left around the world. 



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
Hyruken said:

Yes i get that. But my point was if your going to have say Microsofts figures based on what Microsoft say in their quarter statements then shouldn't you do the same for the others? Weren't the recent 360 adjustments down to the fact VGC had it a lot higher then what MS said they shipped? If that makes sense.

We adjusted down on the 360 figures because we had it at sold more than it had actually shipped lifetime, not just the quarter.

As of January 1st 2011, Sony had shipped 47.92 Million PS3's.

As of January 1st 2011, VGChartz has SOLD figures at 46.3 Million PS3's.

The sold more than shipped thing comes from shipments from previous Quarters. Old stock being sold that was waiting in warehouses/channels.

All that said, if the PS3 gets adjusted down 300,000 units... You would be saying that there would have been close to 2 Million PS3's waiting to be sold on New Year. That's... Too many.