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What do you trust more... Sales or Reviews?

Sales 66 30.70%
 
Reviews 149 69.30%
 
Total:215

Reviews hands down. Wii Play sold more than 3 times uncharted 2, and I can boldly say, that Wii play is nothing compared to Uncharted 2. Same with FE: RD. That got outsold by Iron Man the videogame, yet is of higher quality.



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kitler53 said:

from most trusted to least trusted.

1. the opinion of my friend garrett

2. the opinions of other vgcharters

3. my intuition about a game from watching game trailers

4. reviews/metacritic

 

sales are completely irrelavant.

You could have at least lied and made us vgcharters happy by saying we're #1, lol



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

I hate niche games. The more a game sells under 2-3M the more my chances of disliking that game rise. Conversely the more a game sells over 2-3M the chances of my liking that game rise. That doesn't mean that I never really enjoy something which doesn't sell or will nearly always enjoy something which sells heaps.

My favourite shooter franchises are:

1. Half Life (10M plus)
2. Halo (10M plus)
3. Crysis (3M plus)
4. Gears of War (5M plus)
5. Call of duty (10M plus)

My favourite racing franchises are:

1. Mario Kart (20M plus?)

Well yeah, I don't see any reason to keep giving examples.

 



Tease.

radiantshadow92 said:
Barozi said:
Michael-5 said:

It really depends on the game, sometimes I trust neither and I usually disect reviews to understand weather or not I would like the game. There are a lot of biased and over inflated reviews on the internet out there. Why did Medal of Honor get a 6/10 on some websites while Black Ops got 9/10? There isn't much of a difference, except CoD has a more difficult single player.

Generally I trust reviews more, but there are a lot of fun low rated games out there, like Front Mission, Project Sylpheed, Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery, and Mod Nation Racers to name a few. However these games are generally only fun to me because they are my type of game, so I understand why reviews in general are low. This is why it's important to disect a review. 9/10 for a game like God of War is great, but to me it's a game I could beat in a rental and has no replay value, or even a deep story, so it's not for me, at least not at full price. On the same token, Front Mission gets an average score of 6/10, but IMO it deserved at least an 8/10, it's about the same quality as the first Lost Planet.

Sales are essentially meaningless to me. Lost Odyssey, Demon Souls and Mass Effect 2 are IMO the best RPG's this generation, but Fable 2 outsold them all combined. Gears of War and Uncharted 2 are some of the best shooters this gen, but CoD outsells them both combined on only one of the consoles it is released on. Halo is fun too, but I think the gold lies in Uncharted Gears.

That's my opinion

I tell you why, because the difference in quality is HUGE between these two games.

Black Ops does EVERYTHING better than Medal of Honor. Really everything.


It really does. Reviews > sales.

I mean c'mon. Would i go buy an Ipad because it is selling well? Fuck no.

I know it's a better game, but I don't think it's that much better. Call of Duty games get incredible over inflated reviews due to hype. I mean Black Ops is a 4 hour long game, Modern Warfare 2 was 6, how can anything that short be taken seriously? Yea online is amazing, and co-op/zombie modes are fun as hell, but is Zombie mode in Black Ops any different then Zombie Mode in World at War? Except for the levels, no. Multiplayer isn't that different, thats why I haven't bought a new CoD game since Modern Warfare 1.

Thats why I said "sometimes I trust neither" because I don't think CoD is that great of a game, and I think the sales are over inflated due to popularity. No game this popular will ever get a score below 8/10, but the new IP Medal of Honor gets all the hate.



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Squilliam said:

I hate niche games. The more a game sells under 2-3M the more my chances of disliking that game rise. Conversely the more a game sells over 2-3M the chances of my liking that game rise. That doesn't mean that I never really enjoy something which doesn't sell or will nearly always enjoy something which sells heaps.

My favourite shooter franchises are:

1. Half Life (10M plus)
2. Halo (10M plus)
3. Crysis (3M plus)
4. Gears of War (5M plus)
5. Call of duty (10M plus)

My favourite racing franchises are:

1. Mario Kart (20M plus?)

Well yeah, I don't see any reason to keep giving examples.

 


I am so oposite of you. RPG is my favorite platform, so let me give you examples.

Favorite RPG's

1. Mass Effect 2 (2.4 million)

2. Chrono Trigger (2.31 million)

3. Super Mario RPG (2.14 million)

4. Golden Sun (1.67 million)

5. Fallout 3: GOTY Ed in my case (360 - 3.48 million, combined - 5.93 million)

and this gen, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, and Tales of Vesperia have all been great hits for me, all selling under 1 million



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Michael-5 said:
Squilliam said:

I hate niche games. The more a game sells under 2-3M the more my chances of disliking that game rise. Conversely the more a game sells over 2-3M the chances of my liking that game rise. That doesn't mean that I never really enjoy something which doesn't sell or will nearly always enjoy something which sells heaps.

My favourite shooter franchises are:

1. Half Life (10M plus)
2. Halo (10M plus)
3. Crysis (3M plus)
4. Gears of War (5M plus)
5. Call of duty (10M plus)

My favourite racing franchises are:

1. Mario Kart (20M plus?)

Well yeah, I don't see any reason to keep giving examples.

 


I am so oposite of you. RPG is my favorite platform, so let me give you examples.

Favorite RPG's

1. Mass Effect 2 (2.4 million)

2. Chrono Trigger (2.31 million)

3. Super Mario RPG (2.14 million)

4. Golden Sun (1.67 million)

5. Fallout 3: GOTY Ed in my case (360 - 3.48 million, combined - 5.93 million)

and this gen, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, and Tales of Vesperia have all been great hits for me, all selling under 1 million

Those aren't low sales. None under the median or even the upper quartile for that genre. Your favourite selling RPGs are only really eclipsed by less than half a dozen franchises from this generation at least.

See, you too really do like games which sell more, more typically. Though that doesn't mean that you won't find other smaller releases extremely enjoyable.



Tease.

User reviews and a bit of critic reviews.

As for the sales argument: Carnival Games and Modern Warfare 2. Nuff said.



 

 

 

 

 

Reviews are the less evil of the two. Still, they're not worth much when determining whether a game is worth buying or not, well-written reviews just are nice to read.

Usually I can tell whether I'm going to like a game by looking at it, and then possibly seeking more information about it.



Squilliam said:
Michael-5 said:
Squilliam said:

I hate niche games. The more a game sells under 2-3M the more my chances of disliking that game rise. Conversely the more a game sells over 2-3M the chances of my liking that game rise. That doesn't mean that I never really enjoy something which doesn't sell or will nearly always enjoy something which sells heaps.

My favourite shooter franchises are:

1. Half Life (10M plus)
2. Halo (10M plus)
3. Crysis (3M plus)
4. Gears of War (5M plus)
5. Call of duty (10M plus)

My favourite racing franchises are:

1. Mario Kart (20M plus?)

Well yeah, I don't see any reason to keep giving examples.

 


I am so oposite of you. RPG is my favorite platform, so let me give you examples.

Favorite RPG's

1. Mass Effect 2 (2.4 million)

2. Chrono Trigger (2.31 million)

3. Super Mario RPG (2.14 million)

4. Golden Sun (1.67 million)

5. Fallout 3: GOTY Ed in my case (360 - 3.48 million, combined - 5.93 million)

and this gen, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, and Tales of Vesperia have all been great hits for me, all selling under 1 million

Those aren't low sales. None under the median or even the upper quartile for that genre. Your favourite selling RPGs are only really eclipsed by less than half a dozen franchises from this generation at least.

See, you too really do like games which sell more, more typically. Though that doesn't mean that you won't find other smaller releases extremely enjoyable.

Yea, but I don't like some of the big titles like Fable, and I think games like Final Fantasy XIII and The Elder Scrolls are good, but nothing special. Also this generation, Lost Odyssey, Too Human, Tales of Vesperia, and Golden Sun DS all have lacking sales, none selling over 1 million, some only half.

I won't deny that generally high selling games tend to be well polished, and well good, but only about half my games fall into the high selling category. For example this fall I picked up Halo, Alan Wake, and Assassin's Creed, but I also picked up Vanquish, blur, and Front Mission Evolved. All of which I enjoy to about the same degree. How many units did Front Mission sell compared to Halo? Something like 130k, and Halo is approaching 8 million.



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Well I go with what I'd find more interesting sometimes what I like might sell beter but not review as well but more often what I like won't sell as well but has high reviews.  Okami, Shadow of the Collosis and Bully stand out the most to me. However many of the games that have high reviews and high sales I'm not as interested in.