I guess so, but all wanted to point out was that nintendo shouldn't get all the blame for selling Rare since MS had the bigger half.

Yeah, I haven't played Too Human. I mainly like them because they did the original Legacy of Kain (really want that franchise revisited). I included them because they were always in the gaming press prior to Too Human. Either way, I think the studio is capable of good things.

I somewhat disagree  and agree at the same time...

I may get blasted for this but Rare really wasn't as great as people make them out to be...AT FIRST.

I mean Donkey Kong Country minus mindblowing graphics is an inferior 16 bit Sonic knock off. Ken Griffeys Baseball was rediculously flawed in terms of gameplay balance, as was Killer Instinct. They all had one thing in common though, they looked amazing and better than what anyone else was doing at the time...

They came in to their full stride on N64 and released 5-6 really amazing titles. It was one of those...meant to be moments for Rare. Circumstance and role at nintendo, technology, talent, right people, right games... made them legendary developers from 1996-2001. I think it was a lot more than just nitnendo's guidence that got them this success.

So I agree that they had all the right stuff for a while, but things weren't always perfect for rare pre microsoft...

My favorite Rare game to be honest is Battletoads lol. That game is sheer madness.

Kameo Elements of Power, Viva Pinata, Viva Pinata TIP, Kinect Sports, and even Perfect Dark Zero (At the time) are all solid games.

The only diappointment I have had with Rare this generation is the Banjo & Kazooie Nuts and Bolts game.  Everything else have been very solid titles. 

I like what they are doing with the XBox dashboard and other Kinect things.  This work will pay off in later games.

ID, Bethesda and Epic maybe? That makes seven. 

Epic was around but I wouldn't call them great pre Unreal lol.

ID for sure, forgot abnout them.

Bethesda I don't know anything about to be honest. What did they do back then?

Nah, Epic has Fallen. Last Jazz Jackrabbit game was ages ago.

you don't seem to get what the person is trying to say as you did in the other thread

and don't accuse other of double entering or whatever for your own fault

and what sort of statements you make,huh?

"No the OP said they have fallen, they clearly havent"

then you give the lame reasoning,and instead of pointing towards any of the strenghts(which i can't blame you as they don't have many left),you reason that comment above with 'they don't own the ip's and thats why they make nowhere near the legendary stuff they used to make'.you yourself are saying in a sense that they have fallen

and there is no argument

Kinect Sports and NXE and avatar are not big hitters,they are just support softwares

you say they can't do those legendary games as they belong to nintendo,you try to make your reasoning seem like goodie goodie but it fails horribly

you are talking as if RARE are newborn babies and that they can't create any new games or ip.they did this with nintendo.

Banjo Kazooie as a new platformer by itself Rare (this is imo but i remember reading something about it) thought that Banjo in its current form was stale. So they added cars.

Game output is not necessarily worse, they have different weapons they have to get used to, they cant simply make a game to the quality of Donkey Kong through another game, because Donkey Kong, part of the reason people loved it is because people knew the characters. If it was Eddie Gorilla  64 I cant imagine people talking about the game in the same vain. Dunno just a though.

Viva Pinata is a great new franchise if you have played it. But I am just rapt with what they are doing with Kinect, if they did this avatar kinect thing, what that was worth the purchase there. That thing looks like it could be massive. But this is where the problem lies, the things they have done this gen could have gone either way. 

Yes they did Banjo Nuts and Bolts wrong, but if they did that with less annoying manipulation (which is why i got bored with it) it could have done a lot better imo.

Their lead designer is now the CEO, it depends what original talent you are talking about.