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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Except, they weren't decieved... and yes... people do often want war if not deceived.  There are tons of cases you can point to throught history.  Including Civil Wars by the way.

Though, yeah the US more or less did have a referendum when it came to deciding if the war should take place.  Not a legal one, but all polling showed the Iraq was was extremely favorable at the time.

Are you saying they weren't led to beleive false things about the reasoning for the war? Or that the Government proffited of 9/11 and the state people were after that event?

And polls are unreliable at measuring public opinion.

They aren't that reliable... and EVERY poll read the same.


Though no, they didn't deceive anyone.  To deceive someone is to willingly lie.  They didn't lie.  As far as they knew everything they said was right.

As for 9/11... what's your point?  Other then completely defeating your entire premise by pointing out the fact that people are in fact... emotional? 

You'll pretty much never get to a point without the need for an army because of this.

Well unless you go with the "Deadly Space Fascism via Giant Robot!" plan ala "The Day the Earth Stood Still."

Which... is just worse. 


A lot of people actually just like to fight too... and there will ALWAYS be someone who likes to boss people around.  With groups of people like this there will always be war.

I guess you're right about this... sadly.

Come to think of it, I can't help but remeber the beginning of Gone with the Wind with those stupid guys who were so anxious and happy that there was gonna be a war. It's sad that people can be so foolish, though I think it's also do to social conditioning (the way boys are raised, and how they're encouraged to be violent, and think of violence as a good thing).

Still, such behaviour makes me not care very much how these crazy war loving people end up. They could end up dead, or multilated or whatever, but I refuse to join their madness.



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According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Centrist prefer a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

 

What a terrible quiz lol :P Very biased



pizzahut451 said:
Kantor said:
pizzahut451 said:
Kantor said:
pizzahut451 said:

It should be a duty for men and voluntary for women IMO.

And its not about serving your government but serving your country.

Why should it be a duty for men? What has a "country" done for men (not that a country can do anything), which it hasn't done for women?

If it were up to me, I'd pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow.


I never said women should be in the army at all.I said it shouldn't be a duty for them. And I'd like to see your country invaded and than you posting a bolded sentence like that.

My country never will be invaded. And if it were to be invaded, half the population would leave and the other half would embrace the new rulers, most likely. The government would be the first to join the latter group.

As for women, what do you suppose their duty should be? Cooking for the army? Come on. Everyone in a country has the same duties; that's the very basis of equality. I think that if women expect equal rights to men, they should take equal actions, so if (atheist God forbid) there were a draft, it should be for both genders.


First of all, never say never :) 2nd I find that extremly hard to believe. english are probably the only people in the west who are still proud of their history and country and are not ashamed to  to say that out loud.Maybe a cowards would escape but there is no way that if England gets invaded, people would embrace the new rulers (invadores). I find that very hard to believe.

 

Look, all im saying that women shouldnt be forced to go in the army for the same reasons children shouldnt be forced. An averige woman isnt build for military, nor does she have much knowledge on it. You wouldnt hire a man to be on front page of Playboy magazine for a same reason you shouldnt force women to serve the army.

The only people who are proud of our country, vote BNP - which is to say, they're bigoted morons. And even anyone who is proud of certain British leaders (including myself) like Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Clement Attlee, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I and Victoria, acknowledges that it's been a while since we had anyone that good, and it's unlikely that we'll see anyone that good for quite a while. It's certainly not David "Look how progressive I am" Cameron, Nick "Screw my voters, I have coalition" Clegg or Ed "I swear I'm not a Communist!" Miliband. Maybe Nigel Farage, but he'll never be elected, because he leads a "minor party".

/rant

Firstly, there are magazines with near-naked men on the front cover, so your analogy falls flat.

Secondly, what is difficult about holding a gun and firing it? Yes, they can be heavy. But isn't that a problem for weaker men, and not a problem for stronger women? I'm sure the women serving in the armed forces are much stronger physically than I am. Again, I don't think anybody should be drafted. I just think that if there had to be a draft, it should include all adults.

Why not children? Because children are innocent, and their minds are developing. They don't need to see that kind of thing, or be taught that killing is the right way to solve all of your problems. Also, children actually are too weak to use a gun. Adult women aren't.



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@pizzahut451:

LOL, dont use that liberal hippie bullshit on me, its just getting old by now. I knew you were gonna try spinning stuff. The scientific fact remains: Men HAVE bigger physical strenght than women, ther body is NATURALLY better build for war, why the FUCK do you keep denying these facts is beyond me. Thaths not to say that women cant become better warriors than men with a proper training. But pick up an averige man and women on the street and give them equal 6 months combat training and see who gets better results. Men will always edge out and win BECAUSE NATURE SAYS SO ! And even in the stone age(before any kind of civilization even existed), the men were always the ones who went hunting for food (but there are exceptions of course) and the women stayed home with children or whatever. And that has nothing to do with wester civilization at all, but with nature. Oh and you used Africa as your example??? LMFAO XD XD XD !!!! In Africa, they even send children to the war

Yet reality has proven that women can be good warriors (better than men sometimes), if they're allowed the opportunitiy. The example I gave regarding Africa was that of primitive African societies (tribes) which no longer exist, not current-day Africa post-European colonialist rape.

 We just have diffrent opinnions on this subject than. Because i think its a man's duty to defned his people and his land when they are in danger. You think you shouldnt do anything if someone is terrorizing your people and your land as long as it doesnt terrorize you. Fine. Agree to disagree.

If there is actual danger everyone should help with the defending, not just the men. It's sad that society views men as being so expandable (there are actually fewer men than women). Also, there are non-violent ways you can solve conflicts (just look at Ghandi and India).

Maybe because I AM Serbian??? I should abbandon my heritage and orgin just because i moved into another country? Are you kidding me? Seriously now? its because of people like you immigrants usually hate western people and become too proud and start discriminating and insulting western people. You are the cause of your own problem with immigrants.

If you like Serbia and being a Serb so much, then why did you move to Germany?



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@Farmageddon:

Only beacause people are like that. The reason is not important, the fact is that you can't assume the world is something it isn't and project the consequecences of a decision (having no army in this cases) on that imaginary world.

But people can change if they want to. It's not some thing part of the natural order of things (like dying) that can't be changed.  I'm not dicouraged by what the world is now, when thinking of what the world should become.

Because things are not that simple, that's the point. You can't just forget about reality and think about your "Plan" on a vacuum or it'll never work, it'd be even worse than doing nothing.

It's not forgeting about reality, it's called doing something. You can't just do nothing and expect things to just magically change. Do you think that that the world just magically changes once in a while? Or is it that some people decide that they won't take things as they are anymore?

It would do better for the other side for whom it works to walk all over you. People prey on weakness. I know you don't like the idea of that, but it's how it is. If you want to change it, you have to first aknowlodge the problem. Just supposing it isn't there because "it doesn't need to be there" won't work at all.

There's a difference between a problem, and a solution. What I want to change is the solution, not deny that there is a problem.

It's not always that simple, the world isn't a perfect Karma zero sum for each individual.

True, but when you play with fire, you may (probably) get burned.

You're missing the point. The institution of the army, the fact that it existis, ins't the fact to hate, but the way it's sometimes used. And they kinda do loose their free will :P

Being totally honest, the way the army is used (regardless if for "good" or for "evil") should never be a solution to a conflcit. And all humans have free will, and there's no way to lose that. The fact that there are negative consiquences to dissobeying does not mean that you don't have free will (it's better to be a martyr than to sell your soul).

Soldiers don't always know precisely what's going on, but we're having this argument up there already.

It's sad that people go head first into things while being so uninformed.


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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

I'm so left wing american politicians cant even stand to look at me



                                                                           

pizzahut451 said:
FreeTalkLive said:
pizzahut451 said:
FreeTalkLive said:
 

It is interesting to know how many people support slavery in this day and age.  So people should either be a slave to the government, go to jail or if they resist jail for this issue they should be killed? 

I'm sorry, I was a Sgt in the US Army.  I joined because I wanted the medical training, the experience and the bonuses to donate to pro-liberty causes like my local Libertarian Party, http://www.freetalklive.com/ and http://freestateproject.org/ .  I joined and donated $1000s to pro-liberty causes.  However, I'm glad I didn't serve along side slaves.  Frankly, I don't want anything to do with slaves or slavery.  This isn't the 1800s.

Slave? LMAO

Being forced to sever in the military or go to jail or be killed if you resist is slavery.  If a slave refuses to do what they are told they are also beaten/imprisoned and eventually killed.  However, slavery isn't as bad if the government isn't doing it.  Because government slavery means that the very institituion that was created to protect people is the one causing the most problem.  A government that enslaves it's people is a government not worth having.


So you're killed if you dont serve the army. Where do they do that? In my country, there's  jail time of 6 months at max, and thats the worst punishment there is. I dont think anyone actually kills people for not serving the army, that would be against all human rights. What government does that?

I didn't say you were killed if you don't join the army at the point of a gun.  You either join, agree to go to prison or resist (which could with easy lead to the government killing you).



 

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Damn fucking right.



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LIBERTARIAN

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Damn fucking right.

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