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Cunning_Linguist on 29 November 2010
huaxiong90 said:
NYANKS said:
huaxiong90 said:
FireBringer said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Carl2291 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Some have predicted GT5 will sell 3 million by Spring.............................

What to do with that?!?!

Please don't tell me that was a serious prediction from someone.

Please.

Actually, if you studied phylosophy, even just logic, you should know that the prediction isn't technically wrong: it remains to be seen how long before Spring it will reach that goal. Already this week, perchance?   

Naturally, there's another question left, whether the "prophet" worded his prediction that way because he's clever and malicious or because he's totally clueless.   

Are you trying to be smart and clever? Fail. Someone who studies Philosophy would know how to spell it. Prehaps you should have listened better in class, than you'd know you're making blind assumptions that defeat logic in any way. Just saying mate, your fail on multiple levels humors me greatly. LOLZ^_^

 

The underlined: If you're going to correct someone's spelling, at least make sure your spelling is flawless.

Hint: The words are "perhaps" and "then".

Omg, I will take the role of Grammar Nazi in this fail battle right now.  Correcting him on "perhaps" is right.  However, "than" and "then" are both correct.  Just wanted to point out that his usage may be wrong, but the word is real.

Oh I know that, but keep in mind Europeans usually pronounce "then" as "than", so him spelling it that way still makes it a spelling mistake rather than a grammatical error.

You all missed the word "humors". The correct spelling is "humours". Bloody Americans butchering the fine English language



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 29 November 2010

apparently it sold near 300k in uk alone.



Hyruken on 29 November 2010
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

apparently it sold near 300k in uk alone.



Doubtful i would say seeing as as fifa 11 sold about 350k-400k in it's first week in UK on 360 . And chart said it was the 6th highest opening for a PS3 game. Fifa 11 was at that time the record holder for opening week in UK only to be beaten by Black Ops recently. So for GT5 to have those numbers probably would of put it nearer the top for PS3 openings in UK.

On another note ioi if your reading this in the Pal Charts this week someone mentions UK is one of the weaker regions for GT games. Can you confirm that? Because i find that a bit hard to believe considering how huge motorsport is in the country.

 



Hyruken on 29 November 2010
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

apparently it sold near 300k in uk alone.



Doubtful i would say seeing as as fifa 11 sold about 350k-400k in it's first week in UK on 360 . And chart said it was the 6th highest opening for a PS3 game. Fifa 11 was at that time the record holder for opening week in UK only to be beaten by Black Ops recently. So for GT5 to have those numbers probably would of put it nearer the top for PS3 openings in UK.

On another note ioi if your reading this in the Pal Charts this week someone mentions UK is one of the weaker regions for GT games. Can you confirm that? Because i find that a bit hard to believe considering how huge motorsport is in the country.

 

"In Europe, GT5 set overall sales records in many smaller countries but performance wasn't good enough in major markets like the UK (where Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and FIFA dominate) to set an overall sales record."

Taken from the article.

Probably not one of the weakest but not as big as many other European countries (relatively).


Interesting.

If you look at UK charts there is always at least 1 racing game in the chart. Games like F1 2010, NFS and even Forza still getting into the charts now and then. Don't really see many in the other european charts.

In UK racing is massive. F1 is on BBC1 and Top Gear is one of the most watched shows not just in UK but worldwide. In UK there are many channels on Sky dedicated to just motorsport.  The only other country i could think of who give a monkies about it would be Italy as they have a rich history with motorsport, same as UK. It would be good to see some numbers of the countries sales for the genre.



huaxiong90 on 29 November 2010
Cunning_Linguist said:

You all missed the word "humors". The correct spelling is "humours". Bloody Americans butchering the fine English language

Hahaha, not my fault I was taught in an American school (I'm Middle Eastern, by the way).



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Hyruken on 29 November 2010
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

apparently it sold near 300k in uk alone.



Doubtful i would say seeing as as fifa 11 sold about 350k-400k in it's first week in UK on 360 . And chart said it was the 6th highest opening for a PS3 game. Fifa 11 was at that time the record holder for opening week in UK only to be beaten by Black Ops recently. So for GT5 to have those numbers probably would of put it nearer the top for PS3 openings in UK.

On another note ioi if your reading this in the Pal Charts this week someone mentions UK is one of the weaker regions for GT games. Can you confirm that? Because i find that a bit hard to believe considering how huge motorsport is in the country.

 

"In Europe, GT5 set overall sales records in many smaller countries but performance wasn't good enough in major markets like the UK (where Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and FIFA dominate) to set an overall sales record."

Taken from the article.

Probably not one of the weakest but not as big as many other European countries (relatively).


Interesting.

If you look at UK charts there is always at least 1 racing game in the chart. Games like F1 2010, NFS and even Forza still getting into the charts now and then. Don't really see many in the other european charts.

In UK racing is massive. F1 is on BBC1 and Top Gear is one of the most watched shows not just in UK but worldwide. In UK there are many channels on Sky dedicated to just motorsport.  The only other country i could think of who give a monkies about it would be Italy as they have a rich history with motorsport, same as UK. It would be good to see some numbers of the countries sales for the genre.

Sure, but then you have to factor in that the UK is one of PS3's weakest regions (relatively). I expect GT5 to stay in the charts though for some time.



As i pointed out in the other thread how do you come to the conclusion that UK for PS3 is relatively weak?

Currently 3.5m PS3's sold there, the 3rd biggest country in the world,  making it by miles the biggest region in Europe for PS3 sales. Nearly 1m units ahead of the next country France. Pretty much more then the the next 2 Germany and Spain combined. Software sales are gigantic.

As i also said if there is some figures out there to proove that those numbers are true and UK is indeed weakest then i would love to see them. They must have a mega high attach rate considering their console numbers in the other countries?



atma998 on 29 November 2010
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
CGI-Quality said:
atma998 said:

lol

ok so the game will sell as much in 2012 than in 2011? How come? And it will sell more in its second and 3rd year than CoD:MW2? Come on... this isnt serious.

How did you draw that conclusion?

In 2010, it'll sell 4 million = 4 million.

In 2011, it'll sell 3 million = 7 million.

In 2012, it'll sell 2 million (give or take) = 9 million

In 2013, it'll sell 1 million (give or take) = 10 million.

Now, how did your maths deceive you? And............. CoD will have a larger drop off due to annual releases (unlike GT5, which likely be the only full GT on the system).


Well a drop of only 1 million between 2011 and 2012 sounds like wishful thinking to me, as much as thinking it will outsell CoD:MW2 second and 3rd year. And what makes you think Sony won't release a GT6 this gen? PR talks?

Reality is that CoD is far more popular than GT as a franchise so there is no chance GT5 will outsell its second year, especially when we are looking at racing sim games legs. 

GT games have the craziest legs I've ever seen, GT3 was in the Norwegian top 20 for three years and top ten for almost two years running. Games like Modern Warfare 2 are heavily frontloaded and pre-ordered with their 500 million dollar advertising budgets and this series gets a new game every single year (that's why they have two studios working on the series, so they output one game every single year). I would also suggest to wait before more racing sims are released on the PS3 to judge how they do, since there aren't exactly a whole lot of them available (In fact; there are only two and one isn't even a full game but more of a demo/trial version). As far as I can see, the only shooters that have outsold GT5:P are three Call of Duty game so your terrific logic of Shooters>>>>>>>>>>>>>Racing Sims is flawed at best and plain silly cherrypicking at worst.

Mario Kart has outsold everything this side of wheat bread, this must surely mean as a rule of thumb that Gokart Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games, always. Wii Fit sitting at 20 million means Fitness Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games Besides Gokart Games. See how this becomes rather silly when the scope is broadened somewhat?

I'm not saying your lifetime prediction is impossible, I'm saying that it is unlikely and it would seem that you have a very poor grasp of how game sales truly work, its not simply black and white.

So based on your logic there is no genre more popular than other. Shooter, racing sim, 2D platformer, 3D platformer, RPG, puzzle game and kart games are all equally popular.

We are trying to analyze the sales trend and we are basing our predictions with past sales of other games in the same genre. I don't see what is wrong in my pedictions considering userbase, competition, most popular franchise sales on PS3, racing sim genre this gen, launch sales of GT5, etc. But indeed it's more easy to just deny what others are predicting without taking all that into consideration and taking instead a norwegian chart of a past GT released on PS2...

Unlike you, I have explained my prediction and I think it's a very reasonnable one. I know there is a lot of PS3 fans here that doesnt want to admit it, so in the end I will repeat what I said in my first post:

It will takes more than a year before people predicting 10M (and more) sales may admit the true potential of this game.

Talk about making strawmen galore. I see you still debate on the same level as before, I won't go down this road again. I made my points perfectly clear and showed how your thinking was less than optimal, to say the least and would be hard pressed to make it any more clear. Your whole premise is that CoD has sold a lot, ergo shooters are bigger than racing sims (which have only just now made their appearance). CoD is unique, as is GT and they are equally big and influental in their respective genres. People won't admit you prediction is reasonable because they genuinely don't think it is and because the thought process behind it is highly simplified and not very reflected.

PS: I was never one of those who thought GT5 will sell 10 million. I still don't. I also find it funny that you would assume that the Norwegian video game market operates entirely differently from other countries and regions since the data was apparently utterly useless and this speaks volumes of your dedication to drive your points home with any and all means necessary. Like I said; I won't go down this road again, have fun.


LOL

For a guy who don't want to ''go down this road again'' you put a lot of efforts trying to counter my arguments. Next time if you want to be taken seriously try to bring better facts to back up your position instead of taking a game released 10 years ago without any real competition on a console that reached a userbase of 135 million...

Also we're still waiting for YOUR prediction. I know it's more easy to criticize predictions from other people without making (or having the guts to make) your own. But I know you won't...

Have a good night.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 29 November 2010
forest-spirit said:

But but the game is disappointing! Didn't all those people get the memo!?

 

If week one is 2.4m then that's pretty good. Wasn't the expectations around 2.2m?



yea mine where but not first day.

i predicted 2-3m first wk, and 2m looks more then possible



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Mummelmann on 29 November 2010
atma998 said:
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
CGI-Quality said:
atma998 said:

lol

ok so the game will sell as much in 2012 than in 2011? How come? And it will sell more in its second and 3rd year than CoD:MW2? Come on... this isnt serious.

How did you draw that conclusion?

In 2010, it'll sell 4 million = 4 million.

In 2011, it'll sell 3 million = 7 million.

In 2012, it'll sell 2 million (give or take) = 9 million

In 2013, it'll sell 1 million (give or take) = 10 million.

Now, how did your maths deceive you? And............. CoD will have a larger drop off due to annual releases (unlike GT5, which likely be the only full GT on the system).


Well a drop of only 1 million between 2011 and 2012 sounds like wishful thinking to me, as much as thinking it will outsell CoD:MW2 second and 3rd year. And what makes you think Sony won't release a GT6 this gen? PR talks?

Reality is that CoD is far more popular than GT as a franchise so there is no chance GT5 will outsell its second year, especially when we are looking at racing sim games legs. 

GT games have the craziest legs I've ever seen, GT3 was in the Norwegian top 20 for three years and top ten for almost two years running. Games like Modern Warfare 2 are heavily frontloaded and pre-ordered with their 500 million dollar advertising budgets and this series gets a new game every single year (that's why they have two studios working on the series, so they output one game every single year). I would also suggest to wait before more racing sims are released on the PS3 to judge how they do, since there aren't exactly a whole lot of them available (In fact; there are only two and one isn't even a full game but more of a demo/trial version). As far as I can see, the only shooters that have outsold GT5:P are three Call of Duty game so your terrific logic of Shooters>>>>>>>>>>>>>Racing Sims is flawed at best and plain silly cherrypicking at worst.

Mario Kart has outsold everything this side of wheat bread, this must surely mean as a rule of thumb that Gokart Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games, always. Wii Fit sitting at 20 million means Fitness Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games Besides Gokart Games. See how this becomes rather silly when the scope is broadened somewhat?

I'm not saying your lifetime prediction is impossible, I'm saying that it is unlikely and it would seem that you have a very poor grasp of how game sales truly work, its not simply black and white.

So based on your logic there is no genre more popular than other. Shooter, racing sim, 2D platformer, 3D platformer, RPG, puzzle game and kart games are all equally popular.

We are trying to analyze the sales trend and we are basing our predictions with past sales of other games in the same genre. I don't see what is wrong in my pedictions considering userbase, competition, most popular franchise sales on PS3, racing sim genre this gen, launch sales of GT5, etc. But indeed it's more easy to just deny what others are predicting without taking all that into consideration and taking instead a norwegian chart of a past GT released on PS2...

Unlike you, I have explained my prediction and I think it's a very reasonnable one. I know there is a lot of PS3 fans here that doesnt want to admit it, so in the end I will repeat what I said in my first post:

It will takes more than a year before people predicting 10M (and more) sales may admit the true potential of this game.

Talk about making strawmen galore. I see you still debate on the same level as before, I won't go down this road again. I made my points perfectly clear and showed how your thinking was less than optimal, to say the least and would be hard pressed to make it any more clear. Your whole premise is that CoD has sold a lot, ergo shooters are bigger than racing sims (which have only just now made their appearance). CoD is unique, as is GT and they are equally big and influental in their respective genres. People won't admit you prediction is reasonable because they genuinely don't think it is and because the thought process behind it is highly simplified and not very reflected.

PS: I was never one of those who thought GT5 will sell 10 million. I still don't. I also find it funny that you would assume that the Norwegian video game market operates entirely differently from other countries and regions since the data was apparently utterly useless and this speaks volumes of your dedication to drive your points home with any and all means necessary. Like I said; I won't go down this road again, have fun.


LOL

For a guy who don't want to ''go down this road again'' you put a lot of efforts trying to counter my arguments. Next time if you want to be taken seriously try to bring better facts to back up your position instead of taking a game released 10 years ago without any real competition on a console that reached a userbase of 135 million...

Also we're still waiting for YOUR prediction. I know it's more easy to criticize predictions from other people without making (or having the guts to make) your own. But I know you won't...

Have a good night.

My prediction; 9 million with a lot of bundling, roughly 55% of total sales from the EMEAA region.  Reasoning; good opening, holiday launch, Black Friday helps push initial sales in it's slowest region (Americas) and last and most importantly; GT legs. If GT5:P proved anything, it is that GT is still very much a franchise to be reckoned with and there is a big demand for realistic racing on consoles like before. My 9 million prediction has been posted several in different threads over the past year or so, you can dig through my post history if you want. You will also find that I have always dobted this title's ability to cross the 10 million mark and I still find this highly unlikely. By the way, who are the "we" in "we're still waiting for YOUR prediction"? I can't seem to see anyone else in here disagreeing with me in my overall points, to be honest and I'm pretty sure the older members here all know my thoughts and feelings towards this game and its potential sales. I can also openly admit that I really don't care all that much if you take me seriously, most users in here do and I don't think you should critique my facts when your reasoing is based on; one multiplat shooter franchise sells a whole lot = shooters sell better than racers as a rule and simulation racing won't sell well. CoD is the only shooter franchise that has sold more than GT5:P, GT5's first week sales alone will surpass practically every single shooter ever released on a PS console except CoD games (like I said; CoD and GT are both unique to their respective genre).

There you go, have a good night yourself.



atma998 on 29 November 2010
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
Mummelmann said:
atma998 said:
CGI-Quality said:
atma998 said:

lol

ok so the game will sell as much in 2012 than in 2011? How come? And it will sell more in its second and 3rd year than CoD:MW2? Come on... this isnt serious.

How did you draw that conclusion?

In 2010, it'll sell 4 million = 4 million.

In 2011, it'll sell 3 million = 7 million.

In 2012, it'll sell 2 million (give or take) = 9 million

In 2013, it'll sell 1 million (give or take) = 10 million.

Now, how did your maths deceive you? And............. CoD will have a larger drop off due to annual releases (unlike GT5, which likely be the only full GT on the system).


Well a drop of only 1 million between 2011 and 2012 sounds like wishful thinking to me, as much as thinking it will outsell CoD:MW2 second and 3rd year. And what makes you think Sony won't release a GT6 this gen? PR talks?

Reality is that CoD is far more popular than GT as a franchise so there is no chance GT5 will outsell its second year, especially when we are looking at racing sim games legs. 

GT games have the craziest legs I've ever seen, GT3 was in the Norwegian top 20 for three years and top ten for almost two years running. Games like Modern Warfare 2 are heavily frontloaded and pre-ordered with their 500 million dollar advertising budgets and this series gets a new game every single year (that's why they have two studios working on the series, so they output one game every single year). I would also suggest to wait before more racing sims are released on the PS3 to judge how they do, since there aren't exactly a whole lot of them available (In fact; there are only two and one isn't even a full game but more of a demo/trial version). As far as I can see, the only shooters that have outsold GT5:P are three Call of Duty game so your terrific logic of Shooters>>>>>>>>>>>>>Racing Sims is flawed at best and plain silly cherrypicking at worst.

Mario Kart has outsold everything this side of wheat bread, this must surely mean as a rule of thumb that Gokart Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games, always. Wii Fit sitting at 20 million means Fitness Games>>>>>>>>>>>All Other Games Besides Gokart Games. See how this becomes rather silly when the scope is broadened somewhat?

I'm not saying your lifetime prediction is impossible, I'm saying that it is unlikely and it would seem that you have a very poor grasp of how game sales truly work, its not simply black and white.

So based on your logic there is no genre more popular than other. Shooter, racing sim, 2D platformer, 3D platformer, RPG, puzzle game and kart games are all equally popular.

We are trying to analyze the sales trend and we are basing our predictions with past sales of other games in the same genre. I don't see what is wrong in my pedictions considering userbase, competition, most popular franchise sales on PS3, racing sim genre this gen, launch sales of GT5, etc. But indeed it's more easy to just deny what others are predicting without taking all that into consideration and taking instead a norwegian chart of a past GT released on PS2...

Unlike you, I have explained my prediction and I think it's a very reasonnable one. I know there is a lot of PS3 fans here that doesnt want to admit it, so in the end I will repeat what I said in my first post:

It will takes more than a year before people predicting 10M (and more) sales may admit the true potential of this game.

Talk about making strawmen galore. I see you still debate on the same level as before, I won't go down this road again. I made my points perfectly clear and showed how your thinking was less than optimal, to say the least and would be hard pressed to make it any more clear. Your whole premise is that CoD has sold a lot, ergo shooters are bigger than racing sims (which have only just now made their appearance). CoD is unique, as is GT and they are equally big and influental in their respective genres. People won't admit you prediction is reasonable because they genuinely don't think it is and because the thought process behind it is highly simplified and not very reflected.

PS: I was never one of those who thought GT5 will sell 10 million. I still don't. I also find it funny that you would assume that the Norwegian video game market operates entirely differently from other countries and regions since the data was apparently utterly useless and this speaks volumes of your dedication to drive your points home with any and all means necessary. Like I said; I won't go down this road again, have fun.


LOL

For a guy who don't want to ''go down this road again'' you put a lot of efforts trying to counter my arguments. Next time if you want to be taken seriously try to bring better facts to back up your position instead of taking a game released 10 years ago without any real competition on a console that reached a userbase of 135 million...

Also we're still waiting for YOUR prediction. I know it's more easy to criticize predictions from other people without making (or having the guts to make) your own. But I know you won't...

Have a good night.

My prediction; 9 million with a lot of bundling, roughly 55% of total sales from the EMEAA region.  Reasoning; good opening, holiday launch, Black Friday helps push initial sales in it's slowest region (Americas) and last and most importantly; GT legs. If GT5:P proved anything, it is that GT is still very much a franchise to be reckoned with and there is a big demand for realistic racing on consoles like before. My 9 million prediction has been posted several in different threads over the past year or so, you can dig through my post history if you want. You will also find that I have always dobted this title's ability to cross the 10 million mark and I still find this highly unlikely. By the way, who are the "we" in "we're still waiting for YOUR prediction"? I can't seem to see anyone else in here disagreeing with me in my overall points, to be honest and I'm pretty sure the older members here all know my thoughts and feelings towards this game and its potential sales. I can also openly admit that I really don't care all that much if you take me seriously, most users in here do and I don't think you should critique my facts when your reasoing is based on; one multiplat shooter franchise sells a whole lot = shooters sell better than racers as a rule and simulation racing won't sell well. CoD is the only shooter franchise that has sold more than GT5:P, GT5's first week sales alone will surpass practically every single shooter ever released on a PS console except CoD games (like I said; CoD and GT are both unique to their respective genre).

There you go, have a good night yourself.


I expected a break down for the years 2010-2011-2012 and 2013 like I did and another user did too so you can explain us how would it reach 9 million.

Anyway your prediction of ''9 million with a lot of bundling'' is not too far away from my own prediction which didnt take into account heavy bundling so I don't understand why you found mine unreasonnable. Maybe you think that agreeing with me could imply that GT isnt as successful as it was in the past...