I think we can agree... as i said we can only be certain of the effect when it happen (i just used the previous trend that with the same price cut PS were more benefected than Xbox)... and seing the Kinect effect (my friend bought and i'm still to be tempted to play) i can agree not undershipped - don't now if make senses as you can't sell what hasn't arrived - but certainly in shortages in USA (EMEAA and Japan doesn't sound to be the case)...

But each way maybe for shear brand name or rising in new markets i think the gap will slowly shrink again this year, and by the end o generation PS3 will be probably ahead but nothing to brag about.

I still disagree about the gap shrinking. PS3 is losing to 360 badly in Americas, 360 isn't losing as badly in EMEAA, and Japan is such a small market for home consoles. I think a strong Kinect lineup, and a few good exclusives is all 360 needs to have a strong holiday season, just like it had in 2010. However unlike 2010, I don't see PS3 shrinking the lead during the regular year. The PS3 Slim effect is over, there is no reason why the PS3 should be selling that much differently from 360 right now, and it isn't. Why would PS3 all of a sudden start consistantly outselling 360?

Realistically, the difference between the two HD consoles won't be that different until E3 2011, and if MS pushes Kinect right, it could give 360 stronger sales for 2011. After all Kinect is outselling Wii, the freaken console.

Up untill now PS3 kept shrinking the lead, and yes Americas is Xbox market, Japan shrink in meaning and EMEAA is just a little favorable to PS3... even tough a price cut can help PS3... Kinect isn't making Xbox sells a lot more than PS3 this year.

And at last, there isn't a PS3 Slim yet, you will see a PS Three when that happen (maybe this or next year with more improvements in chip)...

And 2011 lineup of PS3 is better at the moment, hope for a Kinect better lineup isn't more than that, hope.

Thats just completly false. PS3 has only been shrinking the lead for Jan-September 2008, August 2009-June 2010, September-October 2010. Every other period the gap has been growing. In fact, before the PS3 Slim the gap was 8 million, I feel the effect of the PS3 price cut, and slim size have done their damage, it's Kinects turn now.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82284/the-vgchartz-gap-charts-monthly-update-for-september-2010/

Also note, the Gap in Americas has always been growing, even after the PS3 Slim launch. So no matter what Sony must have EMEAA Japan Gap > Americas Gap, which will be hard now, and most likely won't be a big difference.

I feel Kinect will push consoles in trends more similar to how Wii games, peripherals and the console sell. If you ever look at Wii Fit sales, you will see that they seriously bulk up in the holidays. Wii Fit Plus sold 3.6 million units in the period between October 2010 and January 1st. That means after it's 1 year anniversary, it sold about 20-25% of it's lifetime sales, and about 35% of it's lifetime sales were in the first holiday season. This means over 6 months it sold 60% of it's inventory, and the other 40% over 10 months in the non holiday period. If Kinect follows this trend, it should sell between a little over 4 million units next November/December alone, which is probably more then most new titles will sell at the time.

Also I've gotten into this debate before, PS3's 2011 lineup is not really any different then MS's. In terms of console pushers, MS likely has more games. Gears of War, Forza, Kinect 2nd wave of games, and rumored Halo/Halo Kinect/Gears Exile will likely push more consoles then Uncharted, Resistance and The Last Guardian this fall.

Also, a second PS3 Slim,....probably won't push as many consoles as the first one did. The first one did well because MS had no slim model and it came as a surprise. The 360 slim didn't push as well because it wasn't as much of a shocker.

Realistically, until E3 2011, the Gap won't change. Sales are almost identical now, with a slight edge to MS. Sony and MS are not offering too many exclusive titles to push (PS3 has Killzone and DC Universe, 360 has some exclusive Brain Challenge game for Kinect, among a handfull of Kinect exclusives). So because of Kinect, for the first time since 2007, Sony won't gain that any lead during the non-holiday months of 2011, and if MS has a stronger fall (which it usually has, and I think is very likely), then 360 will actually outsell the PS3 this year.

I mean last year, PS3 was outselling the 360 by 20k weekly at this point, sometimes more, and at the end of the year the difference was under 1 million. Take away that initial lead, both HD consoles are looking to sell about the same.

I have to stop you there and argue that have you seen this list? http://www.gametrailers.com/users/Dragun619/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=514597 There's like 20 games on that list I'm interested in and all exclsuives, MS doesn't even have the amount of devs it would take to make as many games as I'm interested in on that list at once never mind the ones that I'm not, and wouldn't anyone who's interested in Gears/Halo/Forza already have a 360? I don't see how they would be bigger console pushers then something like Twisted metal which is an extremely popular series tahts just coming to ps3 now or Last Guardian Sorry but I just don't see the third installment of series on the same console as major console pushers when those are more or less the only games on real interest on said console 

What Damage has Kinect done to the PS3 ?

Who ressurected this old thread? Come on no need for that. 

I've seen that list, but you know about 5-10 of those PS3 games are not comming to Americas/EMEAA this year, if at all. PS3 has more well know sequels coming out, but the number of games is actually about the same.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3900738

Every game with a set release date for 2011, or 2012 is on the above link. Games with no planned Americas/EMEAA release are not included.

There is more to MS's lineup then Gears, Forza, and Halo. This whole game arguement is stupid because Sony announces games a long time ahead of schedule, and MS keeps quite until basically the year of. How long was we known about The Last Guardian and FF Versus XIII, and how many times has The Last Guardian been delayed? Who is to say it won't be delayed like in was in 2010?

At the bold: Would anyone interested in Uncharted, LBP, or Killzone already have a PS3 right now? PS3 has more sequels this year then MS, despite roughly the same number of titles, so your point kind of hurts the PS3 arguement more

Twisted Metal: Go look at TM sales for PS1 and PS2. They are about 1 million a game. This is not that big of a franchise.

The Last Guardian: This is going to be a great game, but it's by no means a system seller. Look at ICO and Shadow of the Colossus Sales, SotC is about 1 million, and ICO isn't even registered.

Anyway, my point was MS has more console pushers. Out of all of PS3's exclusives, the only games with a decent chance to break 5 million are LBP2 and Uncharted 3. Gears 3 and Forza 4 are basically garenteed to sell over 5 million, and multiple of the rumored 360 games could break 5 million as well (Halo, Halo Kinect, Gears Exile, something with Kinect in the title, Dungeon Hero, etc).

I didn't mean towards the PS3 directly, I meant to the gap between the consoles sold. PS3 slim reduced the gap from 8 to 4 million, and now it's Kinects turn to grow it. Kinect has a great fall lineup planned already and there are probably a few games we still haven't heard about for 2011. So as long as MS can hold a small lead in sales for the majority of the year, the Holidays should be enough to grow the gap a bit.

Um Dead Island is coming to ps3 too now so you might want to update that list and frankly I think 5-10 of the games on MSes list won't come out in 2011, and it depends who's saying it's released for 2011 often sites will say something that is TBA is for 2011 just because, do you honestly believe all those 360 games are going to come out in 2011 and stay exclusive? Especially when some are on pc and MS owns no rights and a million sales to a console is better then 0 since the same 5 million people who bought the last game buy the next one and again look at the ps3 list there are about 50 games, so 10 that don't come out this year is still 40, you are using rumored games for 360s list and it's not even half that