not really because they are only sold in america... see what i did there, that is called logic

No. During the holidays, the Arcade Kinect bundle was around $250-$300, the 250G Kinect bundle was around $350-$400. The plain 160G PS3 (if available at all) sold for around $350, the 320G bundles (Asscreed/GT5) sold for around $450. Move stuff sold without rebates (but was barely in stock over holidays). MS was basically giving away free Kinects with their bundles, if you compare the prices. Very likely, there was some deal going on between MS and the Media Group, as MS owned the MG shops with advertisements/Kinect kiosks and total shelf space (for all console hardware) was basically 50% Kinect products. Very weird to see how strong MG/MS was pushing Kinect over the holidays.

I suspect thats a supply issue. 4GB Arcades would have both a lot of demand and the lowest margins of the two, so it makes sense that the 250GB supply is typically more ample. Since they essentially sold every 360 they made in 2010 and some they made for 2011, we probably won't get em until next year sometime.

next year! Well the Elite's did come late, we got the Pro's (at least in dick smith in aus) sooo much earlier than the elites, then the elites streamed through and heavier with the price cut.

Maybe this is the prob why aus and nz sucks in game sales coz 1 we dont get stock and 2 our pricing is beyond ridiculous

Yes more people here should use it.

So how is the PS3 Move bundle offered at a ruduced price over the 360 Kinect bundles? Thats what confuses me.

You said "PS3 Move bundle would be a better option for casual and hardcore with its reduced price." you also said "No Kinect bundles other then the 4GB exist so far."

Now you acknowledge the 250GB Kinect bundle, but I still don't understand this point of reduced price.

If PS3 dropped its price in 2011, 360 would follow. Assuming a $50 price cut, a $350 250GB Kinect bundle would be the exact same price as a $350 PS3 Move Bundle.

Also a 4GB $250 Arcade Kinect bundle would appeal to gamers, hardcore and casual. 360's are built very differently from PS3's, your never forced to install games, and it doesn't really make a difference on 360's. Load times are generally much quicker on 360's then PS3's. I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and I play fine with my 20GB model, which only has 14GB of usable memory. I do have an 8GB thumb drive attached, but I still have more then enough space for all my games.

So a price cut on PS3 and 360 would not somehow help PS3 sales. If anything it would help 360 sales because PS3 an Wii owners could get a 360, with Kinect for only $250. Casual gamers getting a secondary console after their Wii don't need more then 4GB of memory, and PS3 gamers getting 360 as a secondary console won't fill those 4GB either, as they would probably play multi-console games on their PS3's. Also people who are really cheap will be able to afford a 360 without Kinect at $150, which could be a bigger factor then a $250 HD PS3 alltogether.

I noticed here in Canada that EB Games and Gamestops actually ran out of Kinect bundles all together, so they made their own 360 Arcade Kinect bundles for $300. However in January, the only 360's left on shelves were the 4GB Arcade models, everything else was sold out.

You demmand logic but don't use it everytime. As PS3 is more expensive it also have more potencial to price cut, and in the way they are now PS3 isn't selling much less... So i can see a price cut being more favorable to PS3 in this case being that would enter a more affordable range, and would possibly have a cut deeper than Xbox.

Anyway, all 3 are doing great.

EDIT: let's move to hate Apple and istuffs, as Nintendo Rep said that the cheap games are destroying the market...

now for everyone but sony the threat scale is: Cheap Games > Pre-owned Games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hackers (and the best part is a lot of users agree with it)

WE will see. Xbox by the end of the year was no where to be found. As for only 300,000k on the shelf. What so wrong with that? everytime they hit the shelf they came off the shelf. Trying to find a xbox a week before christmas was a joke and after christmas was even more of a joke.

I bought one before christmas because my mom wanted kinect and had to drive two hours away just to get one and they only had 3 available . My cousin bought one after new year and had a hell of a time trying to get the system. Took him a week to track down a system and that was without kinect. He had to buy a stand alone kinect unit.

No actually bud he is right, taking into account the dramatic increase when the slim and Reach came out, PS3 wasn't ahead of the 360 again till late Nov.. As for the shipped number, those ABSOLUTELY DO NOT MATTER, all that matters is the sold-through number.

Sony could ship 10 million consoles tomorrow, but if they can't sell that number in the market frame then those units are shipped back. The number of PS3s on shelves compared to the sell-through by MS is not even close. When the actually sell-through number come in from Sony whenever they choose to release them, they will be way behind, just like the Move.