becuase i can i'll say 20m

Please don't start me again with that ''Look at GT5 Prologue sales!!!!'' again.

GT5:P was out for almost 3 years now, was heavily bundled and is now at 3.9M. If there is anything we can learn from that is that GT5 won't sell more than 7-8 million after taking that into consideration. 

I simply added some other games to your awful list of only 3 and a half games that lead you to the conclusion that a ''new iteration of a franchise outsells the last in the previous gen''. 

If you want to take example of games that are more closer to GT5 in terms of behavior, why didnt you take any Need for Speed games in your theory instead of MGS, DMC or FF?

Now userbase is not everything for sure but it helps a lot to sell games. Just take a quick look at PS2 vs. PS3, XB vs. XB360 and GC vs. Wii games to see what I'm talking about. However, it's not because your userbase is 2 times bigger than it will sells 2 times more games, but something for sure it won't sell less than before and the other way around...

5 million at say $12 a game to Sony after all they own it so get two slices of the cherry plus no retail for the  DL side of things so they should have got back development costs easy maybe even made a small profit and remember the 60 million figure includes prologue as it was made on the back of developing the engine then you take into account money earned from developing the GTR's dashboard telemetry device. plus i don't see why a series that has sold close to 60 million copy's making billions in the process even has people concerned about it's budget add another 60 million on top of that and they'd still rake in the dough.

I was gonna continue with fail to sale "more than New Super Mario Brothers Wii." but then I saw the poll and went wtfz.

Something worth noting again.

MGS4 and god of War 3 wouldn't sell as well as the PS2 games because of the userbase. Yet both games have proven this wrong.

I think this is also something darth was trying to point out.

Also worth noting. The NFS games were milked to the point that they sold like ass on both PS3 and 360... Combined. Underground/Underground 2 were both new, fresh ideas riding on the back of films like Fast and Furious pushing the car modding scene.

My thoughts exactly.

Except that GT5P really sold over 5M, don't forget that the game is available on PSN.

as much as i hate to admit it i have to say that i think the regular delays will be bad for the sales for the sales of GT5, well the opening sales anyways... however i will still be buying it on launch day along with the true sim racing fans

I'll be keeping this thread bookmarked.  I have a good feeling there will be some crow served.