Soriku said:
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Still writing on the Wii I take it?
Prepare for termination! It is the only logical thing to do, for I am only loyal to Megatron.
Destroyer_of_knights said:
you could laugh at those products, but their's no denying those products makes them bucket loads of money, well not so much with Vista but Vista in the long run will be their cash cow. |
Vista will either be their cash cow or the beginning of their big fall. Most companies don't want switch to Vista... maybe they will force it on consumers with new PC purchases but with Macs and Linux and a new generation of kids that are very proficient with computers why would people stay with Windows only? Right now most people use Windows since they don't want to learn new stuff. I switched to Mac when Mac OS X come out (~6 years ago) and when I did it my wife almost killed me. Now she keeps reminding me how happy she is that we switched.
MS needs a non-Windows, non-Office business unit to be profitable and if they drop from the console hardware business is just because of that, not because they can't afford to keep losing 1B/year on their xbox/zune businesses. They are still making a sh*t load of money out of WindowsXP and Office.
wow said: Last i heard MS is making money off their console. They are recording profits currently and thats alot of motivation. Based on this logic Sony will be ditching first. now most companies make this money up by selling software. Sence most of mircosofts games are 3rd party Mircosoft isnt makeing egounh games of their own to make this money up. I dont know if you have heard of a game called halo but its made MS rich, though barely a dent in the total debt but it helps, along with live accounts. While MS doesnt have that many internal studios they do publish quite a few games. I could easily give you a list. The red ring of death is makeing it so microsoft is having to do repeirs for free. Senice the xbox360 is at a 33% failure rate they are loseing alot of money on this. Mirosoft had to spend 20m fixing 360s and they are still failing. from june to now 17 shippments of xbox360s have been called back. this is a result of them starting productoin 69 days before the lunach. Now Microsoft for the last 5 years has been loseing money but Mircosfot stated that thier gameing divsoin would be porifitable in 2008. Microsoft already wrote this bill off last quarter, and so they can start announcing profit. It was profitable last quarter and looks like it will be here as well. in 2008 there is a high chance of the PS3 passing the 360 wicth then 3rd party devolpers will support the PS3 and not the 360. this will result in the PS3 getting more games and makeing more people buying a ps3 insted of a 360. No 3rd party support will lead to the downfall of the xbox. this is the same thing that happened to the gamecube. the only resoin nintendo is still alive is from the NES,SNES and N64. You have zero logic here, i cant even understand if you did any math at all. Right now do you understand how fast the ps3 would have to sell to pass the 360 next year? We are talking wii numbers and i seriously doubt that. Also 3rd partys right now are in LOVE with the 360, they are having fantastic sales. 3rd partys wont just give up on the 360 your logic makes no sense, since they are making huge profits right now off it. Also your logic doesnt apply at all here.
If we look back a gen the xbox didnt do very good. let me remind you it only beat the gamecube by 2m units. Now everyone is saying that Xbox360 has better games than Ps3 and wii. Now lets take a look back a year and a half ago on june 2006.bback then the xbox360 had no good games. Had as many good games as the ps3 did....... Now it does so the Ps3 is moveing at a faster rate as the 360 is the only thing is the 360 had a years start so in the long run the ps3 will have better games than the 360. Wait.........what? ?????????? Zero logic? also last i heard both were pretty much stale matting right now? this all depends on the 360s slaes and at the rate the 360 is selling now it is doomed. now this is all a predictoin but this is possible that it might happen and end up as the dreamcast. like i said it all depends on the 360s sales Actually the 360 is selling REALLY well right now. Your logic more applies to sony then MS here. I really cant even understand how you came to all these conclusions |
With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B
Proud supporter of all 3 console companys
Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp
Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.
Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte
Sugu yoko de waratteita
Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo
I will never leave you
krik said:
Vista will either be their cash cow or the beginning of their big fall. Most companies don't want switch to Vista... maybe they will force it on consumers with new PC purchases but with Macs and Linux and a new generation of kids that are very proficient with computers why would people stay with Windows only? Right now most people use Windows since they don't want to learn new stuff. I switched to Mac when Mac OS X come out (~6 years ago) and when I did it my wife almost killed me. Now she keeps reminding me how happy she is that we switched. MS needs a non-Windows, non-Office business unit to be profitable and if they drop from the console hardware business is just because of that, not because they can't afford to keep losing 1B/year on their xbox/zune businesses. They are still making a sh*t load of money out of WindowsXP and Office. |
With regard to Call of Duty 4 having an ultra short single player campaign, I guess it may well have been due to the size limitations of DVD on the XBox 360, one of various limitations multi-platform game designers will have to take into consideration-Mike B
Proud supporter of all 3 console companys
Proud owner of 360wii and DS/psp
Game trailers-Halo 3 only dissapointed the people who wanted to be dissapointed.
Bet with Harvey Birdman that Lost Odyssey will sell more then Blue dragon did.
Destroyer_of_knights said:
well I'm also including their games, I mean halo 3 was literally printing money for them. |
Halo 3 was very good for MS. They probably made a lot of money with it but it's not like Windows/Office where it keeps selling over and over. Halo 3 sales, like all game sales, degrade very fast with time.
Use the enter key next time and I might bother to read your post.
Also shift. And spell check.
Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte
Sugu yoko de waratteita
Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo
I will never leave you
krik said:
Halo 3 was very good for MS. They probably made a lot of money with it but it's not like Windows/Office where it keeps selling over and over. Halo 3 sales, like all game sales, degrade very fast with time. |
you have to also remember that they, bungie, is an external dev team from Microsoft's main software devs (windows/windows aps). Bungie's devs were 10000 times better programmers then anyone working for Microsoft's main branch.
Lost tears of Kain said:
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Halo made MS rich? WTF are you smoking? MS consistently makes more 3B USD PROFIT/quarter. Halo is a little drop on the 7B losses they took with the Xbox/360 businesses in the last 7 years.
Just so you have an idea how insignificant Halo is within MS, here is the last quarter's earnings per business unit (includes Halo 3):
Client (windows): revenue=4.1B, profit 3.3B
Server/Tools (again mostly windows): revenue=2.9B, profit 962M
Online Services: revenue=671M, LOSS 364M
Business (office): revenue=4.1B, profit 2.6B
Entertainment (xbox/zune): revenue=1.9B, profit=164M (first time they had a profitable quarter. They have an accumulated loss of 7B)
Now, Sony always lost money on PlayStation launch years but they make it back after about 3 years. This happened with PS1 and PS2 but I doubt it will happen with the PS3. The losses are way too large to make up in the next 2 years.
| SRLemmiwinks said: I had a very hard time getting through that, but I doubt thats the case. The failure rate is horrendous (its actually 100% of all systems they sold before about August, not 33%, thats just what they average per what ever length of time they record that info) but the system has had some killer games released on it. Your assumption that Microsoft doesnt make money off 3rd party games is incorrect too, they have a very nice percentage guaranteed per game sold on their system. Its not as good as lets say Halo 3, which temporarily pushed them into the Black (amazing how they havnt talked about their money since then uh?) but its still good. Now the assumption that the PS3 will pass the 360 next year is probably correct, the biggest of the big guns are being pulled next year for the PS3 and most of them are first party, its going to be a phenomenal year for them, but that doesnt mean the 360 cant continue to do well enough that they can start to recoup losses. Im not sure why the 360 hasnt been refined enough to start turning profit on each unit, unlike the PS3 which is now just shy of breaking even and will most definitely next year start turning one on each system with the 45nm chips that are being developed for it. Maybe the fix they had to do to kill the Red Ring of Death is so drastic that they have to start from scratch for their refinement, I dont know. But to say that they wont be able to start by next year is probably foolish. If anything will come of their failure to make a dependable system it will be when all those thousands if not hundreds of thousands of 360 owners next year get their red ring and see Gran Turismo 5, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2, Home, Metal Gear Solid 4 and maybe Final Fantasy XIII will buy a PS3 and end up sticking with the system. I dont know if someone has said this, but I think the big thing that everyone should be looking for is when the PS3 hits 299 a unit. I think thats about right for people that are still plugging in their Playstation 2's to start buying the PS3, and Ive heard somewhere that 120,000,000 people as an installed user base is a big deal... |
100% of all systems sold before August? Where did you hear that? My 360 Pro is over a year old and hasn't failed yet.
As far as the PS3 being just shy of breaking even, I would be very surprised if this were true. Sony has pulled out all the stops, such as removing PS2-game compatibility, just to get the price down to $400. Blu-ray hardware and the Cell processor aren't *that* cheap yet. If Sony were close to turning a profit on the $400 PS3, then they should be able to make a $200 stand-alone Blu-ray player. They're not even close.
Even if my machine finally gets the RROD, I have a 3-year warranty from MS that will cover the repair. Why would I throw that away, buy a PS3 for $500 (I won't buy one unless it can play my collection of PS2 games, so the $400 model is a dead-end deal as far as I'm concerned), and then no longer be able to take my 360 to the all-night Halo 3 parties I attend every 3 months with about 12 of the guys from my office? I think PS3 fans seriously underestimate the addictive nature of Halo.
Concerning the massive PS2 user base, why would PS2 owners dump their PS2's for the low-end PS3 that doesn't play their large collection of PS2 games? That doesn't make any sense. Sony has really sacrificed too much to get the price down to $400. Even if they slash another $100 dollars off in the next few months, those low end systems still won't play the PS2 games.
To be honest, the PS3 will likely be a successful console for Sony in the end. Will it be a runaway success like the PS2? I doubt it. 3 of the engineers in our department bought PS3s after I bought my 360. I'm still playing it on a daily basis, but they've been complaining lately that their PS3s are becoming just expensive Blu-ray players. They want split screen FPS games (for home gaming parties), but are *really* frustrated that the feature is missing in the PS3 flavors of the games they review, COD3 being one of them. The 360 COD3 has it, but not the PS3 version.
One of them just bought the PC Oblivion Game of the Year and dumped the PS3 version he was playing. He got sick of me talking about playing all the 360 Oblivion downloadable content that hasn't come out for the PS3. I've been trying to get them excited about Drake's Fortune or Heavenly Sword, but about the only thing that interests them is COD4. They complain that they really want to play something like Halo 3. My guess is they'll buy the PC version when it comes out.
So... I'm not sure what Sony's killer strategy actually is. To push PS3 as the successor to PS2? No backwards compatibility on the low end. To be the king of Blu-ray? They might just pull this off, but what about gaming? To get the 3rd-party publishers excited about pushing titles on the PS3? Better get those sales numbers over a million if the games are going to cost over $10 million to make.
I hope the PS3 succeeds, but I'm very puzzled by the pronouncement of it's title as King of the Hill when it's struggling to get out of 3rd place.
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