Soriku, you dont really understand what Communism is

someone want to be a doctor, let them be doctor? someone want to be farmer let them be farmer? huh?

Talk about reality, China at 50s and N.Korea certainly not work this way, ppl assign jobs to you, regardless of your wills, skills and knowledge. In fact China Communist used to assign educated ppl to do the lowest level job, such as toiler cleaner.

In their concept, Movies, music dance, art are useless things, they contribute nothing to the communism world, so they can only exists if they are promoting communism

Lost tears of Kain explains it the best, every got the same salary, who the heck want to study hard and be a doctor? In 50-70s China, every one want to be a govt officer instead.


In case if you are living in US, I think it's already a metrix of Communism and Capitalism.

You got the democracy and freedom of Capitalism
At the other hand, some lazy ppl just dont work and take advantage of the social welfare (Communism)

FightingGameGuy said: Kasz216 said: I wish the USA used the Metric system. It's so much simplier. I don't understand why anyone bothers with Royal standard or whatever it's called. Because its what we learned. The vast majority of English speaker's use QWERTY, and its designed to make you type on alternating not lines in order to avoid typewriter jams =D.

 At my gradeschool we learned both.  I guess a lot of school systems could be worse then mine... but considering how easy metric is to teach, that should be fixable by a generation.

Why not both. China has capitalism and communism. From both the bad: Workers that has to work every day hard for their meal from capitalism and an dictatorship from communism. But to be real: We never saw communism as it was thought in theory. No one of the so called 'communist' countries ever removed money from the economy. We haven't seen communism in reality and likely never will. Many dictators used communism as an excuse for their dicatorship. If you want an idea about communism, read a 'culture'-novel from Ian Banks. The society described there is communism.

catofellow said: I think most people are missing the major point as to why communism failed, as well as the defining charateristic of communism in general. We are all told early on that communism "is where everyone makes the same", but this is too simplistic. Capitalism - output is set by the forces of supply and demand - this information is trasmitted to all by the price.  If the price goes up, it signals to all producers to build more, and eventually, more producers to build the product. Just as importantly, if not more so, when the price of a good drops, produce less, and few producers build the product. After all if a product is not selling, this implies that to continue building the product (even if it will maintain employment in the short run) would be a massive waste of always limited resources. You may question whether the motives of the capitalist are selfish, or selfless, but at least they have some guide to go by. Communism - Pricing model abandonded. Level of output for all goods and services are set by the Central Planning Agency. Without the information transmitted by price, the CPA has to in there best estimate guess how much of a given product needs to be made. Without price, the CPA has to know how the value of one good to "society" compares to another given the limited resources available. This requires complex understandings of how demographics change overtime, in both the long run and day to day. This is why you hear stories of the U.S.S.R overproducing some goods, like cement, while vastly underproducing others. The information required for any CPA to be successful, whether despotic or democratic, could never be available.

You should have read what Rubang posted before posting this. Well propaganda obviously works. Now, why there weren't enough food in USSR? You explain that since pricing didn't work, CPA didn't know what to produce. Well, the problem was, that the people who had power, wasn't chosen by their expertice, but them being member of the party. So they didn't have a clue about how to get everything to work. Now in capitalism the same example would be that the instance who makes the product, keeps production low to inflate the prices, and the thing you should remember is, that capitalism aims to monopolies. Stclam: Read what Rubang posted. You know why everyone wanted to government officer? It was because they had power. You see, communism doesn't aim people to take jobs they don't want etc. It's capitalism that does it. The system in China, you told about, is , well, their system. Not communistic ideal. That is what happens when people who decide things are not qualified for their jobs. That's why everyone who has power, should drive the ideals, not to stick to their personal agenda. And that's why communism don't work (at large scale). The lazy people who don't work, aren't communists, they are more like capitalists, who use their capital to make money out of the system. Now, communists contribute to the society, when capitalist take advantage of it. That's the biggest diffence between the two.

stclam said: Talk about reality, China at 50s and N.Korea certainly not work this way, ppl assign jobs to you, regardless of your wills, skills and knowledge. In fact China Communist used to assign educated ppl to do the lowest level job, such as toiler cleaner. In their concept, Movies, music dance, art are useless things, they contribute nothing to the communism world, so they can only exists if they are promoting communism

That's not China of today. It was in the years of the cultural revolution. But that era is gone for decades. China today is simply capitalism. And you are assigned to jobs according to your skills and to the needs of the market. Also China today consider art as a high value. As I said, cultural revolution was as you said. But that wasn't communism either. That was simply crazy.

stclam said: In case if you are living in US, I think it's already a metrix of Communism and Capitalism. You got the democracy and freedom of Capitalism At the other hand, some lazy ppl just dont work and take advantage of the social welfare (Communism)

Welfare is not communism, social welfare was already existant in feudalism.

rudyrsr8 said: Communism does not reward the hard worker. Enough said, also it denies the dignity of man to his job giving meaning to his life. Paper yes it looks nice in actuality it is wrong. Capitalism is unfair yes but isnt trying to be most equal the great equalizer is death after all.

Capitalism rewards the hard worker? So a housemade at a burger-maker at McDonalds earns millions and Paris Hilton worries about her next meal? Hmm.

Capitalism doesn't mean democracy. Some democracys use capitalism as the form of economy. Some capitalistic states aren't democracies. Saudi Arabia or China for example. Communism is an ideal, and as far as I think a completely unrealistic one.

soriku, please don't pretend you know how this works.
your views are a little misguided, its no where near as simple as that.

Come on, without communism there would be no tetris

I once had a friend who kept insisting having a barter system would be a good idea. I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic because his examples were always silly.

"See, I would give you a flower... and you'll give me a Walkman."

"I would write people a poem, and they would give me a car."