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Carl on 13 August 2010
c0rd said:
darthdevidem01 said:

I'll do the honours:

1
Super Mario Bros. (NES)
Nintendo
29.52 6.81 3.91 40.24
2
New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
Nintendo
8.50 6.08 7.75 22.33
3
Super Mario World (SNES)
Nintendo
12.97 3.55 4.09 20.61
4
Super Mario Land (GB)
Nintendo
10.99 4.19 2.96 18.14

Included 4 cus Super Mario Bros was bundled a lot, so just included one extra.

________

1
Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
Nintendo
4.43 3.00 1.87 9.30
2
Donkey Kong 64 (N64)
Rare
3.31 1.10 0.86 5.27
3
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (SNES)
Nintendo
2.13 2.21 0.81 5.15

_______

I love Donkey Kong, but its really not gonna be a NSMB Wii

In case anyone missed it: (Mario Kart before DS, Wii)

1
Mario Kart 64 (N64)
Nintendo
5.52 2.24 2.11 9.87
2
Super Mario Kart (SNES)
Nintendo
3.59 3.82 1.35 8.76
3
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (GC)
Nintendo
4.14 0.89 1.93 6.96

See how that... doesn't work? And at this point, NSMB Wii outselling Mario Kart Wii is not going to be an easy task.

I'm not saying DKC will outsell Mario Kart or NSMB Wii (surely it'll be under both by a fair margin), but I will say those comparisons are useless. DKC1 is the only non-sequel 2D Donkey Kong. We really just don't have much data on what kind of impact this game will have.


@Carl2291: "Doomed" is just a word used to group up all the people who think the console will continue a steep decline. E.g. "To all those who think the Wii is doomed," basically means "To all those thinking the Wii will be down 30-40% this holiday."

You're putting too much weight into what is just... a word.

Besides, what do you think doomed means? Down 50%? 60%? When is it not a "huge over-exaggeration"? I'm pretty sure calling an HD console "doomed" at some points meant it'd be stuck in 3rd place, and that's a hell of a lot less extreme than the expectations of Wii sales this holiday.

I see "doomed" as on a downward spiral. Noway back to where it once was. Pretty much already past its peak and will now face a continued decline. Sales decreasing every year until well... Yeah.

@Metallicube.

How can you say the HD consoles have reached there peak but the Wii hasn't?



                            

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Solid_Snake4RD on 13 August 2010
Metallicube said:

The fact is that the HD consoles are at their peak now (or close to it). Wii is not. People seem to be forgetting that the HD consoles will eventually go through massive declines as well, they are not invincible. As Wii has shown, no console is invinsible to eventual decline. The redesigns have prolonged this decline, but they can only do so for so long. As The Source I believe said, Wii having the highest, most rapid peak, leads to it having the most rapid decline as well.

but this doesn't normally happen to a console that has been at top for so much time

and atleast PS3 is not at its peak,heck its still $299

and wii has surely crosed its peak

If PS3 can't even outsell Wii at its low point in the slow summer months with no sinigifanct releases, then it certainly won't during the holidays,

BUT it has a bigger price and wii has the advantage of the popularity right now

As for 360, I think people are puting way too much hope in Kinect. The hardware may be neat, but it doesn't appear to have any decent games worth buying it for. Halo Reach will do more than Kinect. At the end of the day, people buy hardware for the GAMES. Nintendo's lineup this holiday looks to be the strongest, so I think it'll get the most sales.

AGREE ON THE kinect part

and agree on WII part too if no consoles gets a price cut,wii will be at top but the point is that it will be at the top but just barely outselling the competitor which it should be outselling by more with the low price and band name





M.U.G.E.N on 13 August 2010
morenoingrato said:
Carl2291 said:
morenoingrato said:
Carl2291 said:
c0rd said:
Carl2291 said:

What i find really funny is that it's only the Wii fanbase who seem say the "doomed" word these days.

And can you please list me the sales of the top 3 DK games please? Then show me the top 3 sales of Mario games, before NSMBWii?

People obviously don't need to say "doomed" to insinuate it is.

When someone predicts the 360 and possibly the PS3 will outsell it this holiday, that's essentially what they're saying. Since we know 360 and PS3 sales will be low (compared to Wii last holiday), for this to happen, the Wii would have to be down like, 40%, at least.

Doomed is a huge over-exaggeration. And even then... How many people have predicted both PS3 and 360 will outsell the Wii this holiday? "Doomed" is a phrase here that is used mainly by the Wii fanbase these days.

The Wii is looking shabby when compared to what we are used to from the Wii. This is a fact. And the Wii being down ~40% sounds a bit much... But it is definitely possible. They (currently) don't have a pricecut. And no single title bigger than NSMB Wii. Never mind NSMBWii, Wii Sports Resort, Tales of Graces and Wii Fit Plus combined.

Add in the possibility of Kinect and/or Move taking off and thus stealing some of the Wii's sales... You have the possibility of Wii being down a lot.


we quote what everyone said last year.

And you're actually saying graces was big and moved hardware? seriously?

I'm saying an exclusive Tales game in Japan launching in December is expected to be a big hardware mover, yes.

I can't remember the actual numbers though so... Did it increase sales?

graces performed poorly compared to other tales games.

It opened at 140k, is at 220k now.

Wii jumped from 104k week ending dec 06 - to 138k week ending dec 13, but honestly, I think it was more the seasonal boost and nsmbwii which was released the 5th.

And as Darth said, it was drowned by ff13


oooh now that explains the TOGf for ps3...I knew all that fans asked us stuff was bS

and ugh HD twins reached their peak but wii hasn't? Buhahhahahahhahaha hey Reach is that you bud?



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darthdevidem01 on 13 August 2010
Metallicube said:

The fact is that the HD consoles are at their peak now (or close to it). Wii is not. 

Yes the console that costs $299 (its cheapest model) is "close to its peak" or "has reached it" but the much cheaper one hasn't.

LMAO



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Carl on 13 August 2010

Oh... and c0rd.

The whole reason why the DS version of Mario Kart should be counted in your comparison is well...

Because it was the DS that was a major catalyst in making the Wii version as big as it is. The same goes for NSMB DS helping out NSMB Wii.

DK hasn't had a proper game released for YEARS. It also doesn't have the advantage of having a big selling game on the DS like MKWii and NSMBWii had.

Everything points at it being nowhere near as big as NSMB Wii on both hardware moving capabilities and the number the game will actually sell.



                            

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Squilliam on 13 August 2010
toadslayer72 said:

@ Squilliam

I think that's a pretty good point about who may be buying the new 360s.

Its a complicated issue.

You have:

  • Xbox 360 owners buying PS3s, the hardcore users especially who want to access the recent glut of PS3 exclusives.
  • Xbox 360 owners buying 2nd consoles or replacing their original.
  • Xbox 360s in the used market/being given to friends and this takes time before they become active again.
  • Xbox 360 owners losing interest, the system is afterall one year older and the average time of ownership is longer due to its higher sales in the first few years and the fact that the PS3 surge is still very recent.
  • Piracy, probably increasing as an effect.
  • Used software and software borrowed from friends without any significant new releases to tempt any new owners.
  • Tracking issues for legacy software given the fact that it becomes difficult to track software outside of the top 50.
  • Increasing sales for digitally distributed games. The 1600 point card is the most popular accessoryand assuming that most upgraders are20GB  owners a much greater ability to access the 100 titles on games on demand and Arcade titles.
  • A number of Xbox 360s sold for media extenders and/or use for netflix and other strictly media functionality.

So whilst there are people who are replacing their consoles, the net effect in the market isn't exactly quantifiable based strictly off our retail software sell through numbers just a few weeks after the release of the revision console.



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c0rd on 13 August 2010
Carl2291 said:

I see "doomed" as on a downward spiral. Noway back to where it once was. Pretty much already past its peak and will now face a continued decline. Sales decreasing every year until well... Yeah.

@Metallicube.

How can you say the HD consoles have reached there peak but the Wii hasn't?

Erm, but then... it would be accurate to call the Wii doomed, would it not? Or for any console past its peak.

I'm only clarifying this because I see people like M.U.G.E.N. constantly bring up how "only Nintendo fans say the Wii is doomed," when you obviously don't actually need to say "doomed" to proclaim "doom". Okay, I think I'm done with "doom" for now...


Lastly, at your theory of DS versions leading to high Wii sales - that still doesn't help us much. Particularly because those DS games (MKDS, NSMB), well, they're both kind of in the 20 million range. If DKCR puts up those numbers, I doubt anyone would be disappointed with it...



Beuli2 on 13 August 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
Metallicube said:

The fact is that the HD consoles are at their peak now (or close to it). Wii is not. 

Yes the console that costs $299 (its cheapest model) is "close to its peak" or "has reached it" but the much cheaper one hasn't.

LMAO

Some people need interpretation classes. He meant that Wii sales have ALREADY peaked, not that they will peak from now on.



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Metallicube on 13 August 2010
Carl2291 said:

Oh... and c0rd.

The whole reason why the DS version of Mario Kart should be counted in your comparison is well...

Because it was the DS that was a major catalyst in making the Wii version as big as it is. The same goes for NSMB DS helping out NSMB Wii.

DK hasn't had a proper game released for YEARS. It also doesn't have the advantage of having a big selling game on the DS like MKWii and NSMBWii had.

Everything points at it being nowhere near as big as NSMB Wii on both hardware moving capabilities and the number the game will actually sell.

DKC will sell at least 10 million units. The series is very popular, as the sales of SNES show. There is a lot of pent up demand for the game, as the last DKC game hasn't come out in over a decade. It is also the type of game that appeals to lots of people, simple side scrolling platformer.

In response to your other post, I should have clarified. What I meant was, Wii is PAST its peak, while the HD consoles are not.



Seece on 13 August 2010

Wii fans are behaving strange, they're either doom and gloom themselves (DK 2 mill lifetime and won't sell a single Wii) .. ok. Plus those talking about doom for the Wii ...

 

No, people are just obviously pointing out how the Wii isn't doing very well at the moment compared to past times, no one is sayin it's doomed.