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BigBoobieHead on 02 August 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's PS2 and PSP profits included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

PS3 is a company failure for the simple reason that it hasn't matches sales expectations.

To be fair though, to get the best picture of the PS3's implications we'll actually have to wait 20 years down the line.

Short term, no doubt PS3 has failed.

But if I were to say that long term, Sony's thinking changed dramatically and enabled them success in the future generations, and that Sony made lots of profit off Blu-Ray, I think the PS3 would be seen in a better light.



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unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's with PS2 and PSP sales since PS3 launch  included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

I'd like to see some actual proof on that billions lost, every time I see on article on something like that their usually taking about billions less profit then someones projections or compared to a previous year/gen, this so much mis information in the media 



nightsurge on 02 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
nightsurge said:
BigBoobieHead said:
nightsurge said:
BigBoobieHead said:
nightsurge said:
unknown_soul89 said:
carlosmp said:

X360 is outselling PS3 right now, ¿what will change that?

I think X360 has more things, like the Arcade bundle, Halo Reach, Kinect, etc.

A month time, the 360 is selling more because they came out with a new model those numbers don't last, you're in denial if you think halo reach is going to sell 360s, anyone who cares about halo has a 360 everyone else sees it for the mediocre shooter it is, arcade bundles have been out for years ps3 still outsells the 360 year to year and kinect lol don't make me laugh 

Insecure about something?

First, no, not every Halo fan has a 360.  Far from it.  I can name at least 15 of my close friends who love Halo yet don't have any current gen console yet.  Anyone who thinks every Halo fan is already on 360 is purely ignorant.  Also, love how you troll it generalizing that everyone thinks it is a mediocre shooter.  It has way more features than current more recent shooters and Halo: Reach is going to expand on that even further.

Second, how can you say the PS3 outsells the 360 year after year when since it's release the PS3 has only outsold the 360 one year so far which was last year.  2005-2008 were all 360 with higher sales.

And lastly, it must really upset you that Kinect is receiving far more interest and way way way more preorders than Move even with its high price tag.  Must be a rough time for you.

Oh and why are you using shipment figures when ioi and TheSource themselves have gone over time and time again why Sony's shipment figures seem to be inflated/off from all the major tracking sites?

Horrible post, oozing of bias. I'l present you with some hard facts:

  • Microsoft has sold 3.6M more consoles than Sony
  • Microsoft had more than a years head start 
  • The PS3 had no games at the start
  • The PS3 has always been a lot more expensive (Key Point)
  • Sony keeps consoles out longer than MS
  • The PS3 is seen as more futureproof
  • PS3 likely has more price cuts left in it - although MS are trying to battle this

Bottom part is bullshit considering all these tracking services don't actually track many markets that Sony sell into.

So basically what you are saying is that Sony's sales in un-tacked regions don't count.

People who also talk about overshipped are just plain crazy, and don't know what the term actually means.

So, yes I see the PS3 having higher sales soon enough (talking about shipment figures).

Ugh... I'm sorry but I'm not being biased.  Just informed.  Try reading up on this site a bit more.  ioi and TheSource (you know, the admins and the operators of this sales tracking system) have explained all of this many times as to why Sony's numbers are off and how very little of a difference those "un-trackable regions" actually makes.  Also, they do include some numbers to cover those regions, just fyi.

ioi and TheSource - two men a vast majority of sales/game enthusiasts deem very unreliable (even if they are or not), do not know how much difference these 'un-trackable' regions make, because, they are...'un-trackable.'

I don't even think the PS3 is undertracked here, I'm just amazed at how little people know. Like those saying 'overshipped.' Could somebody please explain what exactly they think that means to me. Lol.

Fyi, it is illegal for Sony's numbers to be 'off.'

No one is saying they are manipulated illegally.  We are saying we don't know what all Sony counts into their shipment figures.  For example, Sony may count orders as they are received as "shipped" even before they ship out of the warehouse a few weeks later, thus giving their numbers an extra 4 weeks of shipment data over everyone else.  It has also been suggested that they may count repaired units as "shipped" since they are also being technically shipped out to customers.  No one knows for sure.  Neither of those would be illegal for Sony to count and it would still show the discrepancies we are seeing.

Also, please don't mistake me for claiming that it is a fact Sony's numbers are misleading.  I am merely suggesting that possibility since we can't know for sure and the evidence does seem to point to some sort of error.  I am inclined to think the issue is with what Sony counts as "shipped" since all the major tracking sites, NPD, gfk, vgchartz, etc. are well in line with one another and with MS and Nintendo figures.

Show us PROOF Sony counts shipped differently then MS or shut up

Can you show proof otherwise?  We can't do either one unless Sony themselves would come out and explain things. I'm merely giving a suggestion that was also suggested by the VGC admins.



Jay520 on 02 August 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's with PS2 and PSP sales since PS3 launch  included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

Fine, SONY losing money and MS is making money. You're right.

Back on Topic: I think the PS3 will outsell the 360 eventually.



unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
BigBoobieHead said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's PS2 and PSP profits included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

PS3 is a company failure for the simple reason that it hasn't matches sales expectations.

To be fair though, to get the best picture of the PS3's implications we'll actually have to wait 20 years down the line.

Short term, no doubt PS3 has failed.

But if I were to say that long term, Sony's thinking changed dramatically and enabled them success in the future generations, and that Sony made lots of profit off Blu-Ray, I think the PS3 would be seen in a better light.

Um you do realize that nothing reaches sales expectations in this industry almost, because the sales expectations are unreasonable, EA expected Mirror's Edge to get 3 millions sales quickly (it eventually sold over 2 million and made a good profit especially since it was a relatively low budget project) MS expects to get half a million preorders for kinect so yea, not meeting sales expectations doesn't mean anything if those expectations are unreasonable/not based on facts 



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BigBoobieHead on 02 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
BigBoobieHead said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's PS2 and PSP profits included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

PS3 is a company failure for the simple reason that it hasn't matches sales expectations.

To be fair though, to get the best picture of the PS3's implications we'll actually have to wait 20 years down the line.

Short term, no doubt PS3 has failed.

But if I were to say that long term, Sony's thinking changed dramatically and enabled them success in the future generations, and that Sony made lots of profit off Blu-Ray, I think the PS3 would be seen in a better light.

Um you do realize that nothing reaches sales expectations in this industry almost, because the sales expectations are unreasonable, EA expected Mirror's Edge to get 3 millions sales quickly (it eventually sold over 2 million and made a good profit especially since it was a relatively low budget project) MS expects to get half a million preorders for kinect so yea, not meeting sales expectations doesn't mean anything if those expectations are unreasonable/not based on facts 

True, many aims are too high, but surely Sony were expected a lot more PS3 sales?

No proof, just a thought.



Lyrikalstylez on 02 August 2010
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's with PS2 and PSP sales since PS3 launch  included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

Fine, SONY losing money and MS is making money. You're right.

Back on Topic: I think the PS3 will outsell the 360 eventually.

first thing.......yes

second thing......no

 

Everyone thought when the ps3 slim launched the high sales would end by the end of the year, which didnt

I expect the 360 to continue with the high sales and with kinect launching soon, I think they will dominate!!



unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
nightsurge said:

Can you show proof otherwise?  We can't do either one unless Sony themselves would come out and explain things. I'm merely giving a suggestion that was also suggested by the VGC admins.

Dude, why do we need proof that they do the things the same as every other company? We don't need Sony to explain things we need people to stop assuming inaccurate numbers can't be wrong, if theres no proof Sony counts things differently then they probably don't and you are just making a fool out of yourself for believing crackpots with no real proof



unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
BigBoobieHead said:
unknown_soul89 said:
BigBoobieHead said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's PS2 and PSP profits included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

PS3 is a company failure for the simple reason that it hasn't matches sales expectations.

To be fair though, to get the best picture of the PS3's implications we'll actually have to wait 20 years down the line.

Short term, no doubt PS3 has failed.

But if I were to say that long term, Sony's thinking changed dramatically and enabled them success in the future generations, and that Sony made lots of profit off Blu-Ray, I think the PS3 would be seen in a better light.

Um you do realize that nothing reaches sales expectations in this industry almost, because the sales expectations are unreasonable, EA expected Mirror's Edge to get 3 millions sales quickly (it eventually sold over 2 million and made a good profit especially since it was a relatively low budget project) MS expects to get half a million preorders for kinect so yea, not meeting sales expectations doesn't mean anything if those expectations are unreasonable/not based on facts 

True, many aims are too high, but surely Sony were expected a lot more PS3 sales?

No proof, just a thought.


and their expectations were unreasonable, they expected it to sell like the ps2 did without doing anything, frankly I'm glad they fell on their faces with the launch exclusives and little 3rd party support made them start making great games again



BigBoobieHead on 02 August 2010
Lyrikalstylez said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:

Almighty Sony? uh...  okay

So know you're talking about profits. I don't know the specifics of the cost of the PS3 and how much SONY loses on each PS3, so I won't get into that. Either way, PS3 is on its way on selling a lot IMO (although that would be bad for SONY since they're losing money).

Well Sony has lost about 5 billion since the launch of the PS3. And that's with PS2 and PSP sales since PS3 launch  included. God knows how much they really lost on the PS3 a lone. That's an unbelievable failure for a company that dominated the last two generations.

I do believe the PS3 is making a small profit for each unit sold now. But they'll never make much money on the PS3 units because of competition. All they can hope for is MS to keep console prices the same so they don't have retaliate with another price cut. The 360 has been making money for years, sales are great, so there is no need for them to cut prices unless Sony does.

Fine, SONY losing money and MS is making money. You're right.

Back on Topic: I think the PS3 will outsell the 360 eventually.

first thing.......yes

second thing......no

 

Everyone thought when the ps3 slim launched the high sales would end by the end of the year, which didnt

I expect the 360 to continue with the high sales and with kinect launching soon, I think they will dominate!!

PS3 is now making profit, Sony as a whole are making profit.