is it really important who won e3? im a MS fanboy but i can admit that nintendo had the overall best e3 but when they are all really good it doesnt matter who wins because whether your a fan of MS or sony or nintendo you got something out of e3.

But i'm saying how is that going to push the real bottom line, new hardware sales?

Mattrick has a long end of the year ahead of him when he sees the sales of the PS3 in Europe. The only place the 360 will be having a great time is in North America once Halo Reach drops and thats not the console to game attach rate. That is only for games. GT5 is going to sell consoles in Europe. I am contemplating whether to replace my 360 with the new slim as I was thoroughly disappointed in Microsoft's E3. Why? I know not to look forward to very much going into next year.

Well I agree with them, Move is falling off the amazon best sellers (40ish now) while Kinect is holding steadily on the top spot for some days now.

Its a great application which will see a lot of use for the Xbox 360 beyond gaming. It increases demand for it with people who are interested beyond just gaming and it gives some killer non gaming uses for the console as well so people who aren't interested in gaming may still buy one. Why else did these consoles come with many gigabytes of storage if not also for the non gaming applications as wel?

it is AMAZON US right

KINECT will go down too

l think I figured out where they polled their fans on who won E3. It must have been the official Xbox site! lol

Perhaps the guy is confused, thought he was representing Nintendo. Oh wait, he addressed MS's product... Well the guy is clearly insane then.

Yes I suppose you could say that. So ..how would it be different in the PS3's case. And yes you could argue that, but you would have no evidence.

Have you considered they just don't exist anymore? What happend to the 7 million people who bought Tomb Raider, Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero. I don't know, but we do know they don't sell anymore.

Yes, I realise that, which is why like few people on this matterI do not see the userbase being the man factor in a decline in GT sales. I just don't see why anyone one thinks last generations trends apply to this generations. If anything i'd say it's certainly an FPS market today, so why is Halo seen at a disadvantage?

Honestly I think we are going to have to wait and see who really won. I think everyone agrees that the Microsoft showing wasn't what hardcore/core gamers have come to expect from Microsoft. That said the show was very much directed at the casual market, and at retailers that are looking for the next big thing. So its somewhat like comparing two different things like apples to oranges. I am not entirely sure whether Microsoft knows how to present its new concept just yet. The comments felt searching, but it doesn't mean they are wrong. Quite frankly none of the three used their time well. They all just seemed to be a stream of gibberish. Grabbing them on the show floor while they were exhausted probably wasn't the best idea. None of them had probably gotten a good nights sleep for the past few days.

Speaking to GT5 I am going to commit a blasphemy. I am basically blind to the arguments at this point. This game has been the proverbial carrot on the stick for three years now. Supposedly selling a legion of gamers on the console. So which is it now? Have they not bought the console in spite of this game, or are they going to buy the console when it comes out? Either the effect has been mostly spent, or the game wasn't very relevant to enthusiasts. Honestly I think enthusiasts have long since commited to one console or another based on games that have come out during this franchises hiatus. Given the quality of the field, and the vast array of titles arriving this holiday season I think expectations are getting well out of hand.