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Honestly I think we are going to have to wait and see who really won. I think everyone agrees that the Microsoft showing wasn't what hardcore/core gamers have come to expect from Microsoft. That said the show was very much directed at the casual market, and at retailers that are looking for the next big thing. So its somewhat like comparing two different things like apples to oranges. I am not entirely sure whether Microsoft knows how to present its new concept just yet. The comments felt searching, but it doesn't mean they are wrong. Quite frankly none of the three used their time well. They all just seemed to be a stream of gibberish. Grabbing them on the show floor while they were exhausted probably wasn't the best idea. None of them had probably gotten a good nights sleep for the past few days.

Speaking to GT5 I am going to commit a blasphemy. I am basically blind to the arguments at this point. This game has been the proverbial carrot on the stick for three years now. Supposedly selling a legion of gamers on the console. So which is it now? Have they not bought the console in spite of this game, or are they going to buy the console when it comes out? Either the effect has been mostly spent, or the game wasn't very relevant to enthusiasts. Honestly I think enthusiasts have long since commited to one console or another based on games that have come out during this franchises hiatus. Given the quality of the field, and the vast array of titles arriving this holiday season I think expectations are getting well out of hand.