| RolStoppable said: [...] I do not like what I am seeing so far. |
There we go. That's my view in one line.
| RolStoppable said: [...] I do not like what I am seeing so far. |
There we go. That's my view in one line.
^^ @Sol and Rol:
But you two are already Wii gamers, it wouldn't sell HW to you anyway!
The question instead is: will it sell a Wii to people like me that still don't own a Wii? And the answer is "I don't know, I could speak for myself, but it wouldn't be statistically significant, I'll most probably buy a Wii when it's cheaper, but not for Metroid". Can Metroid sell Wiis to people not considering it before? But couldn't we ask the same thing for other games? Most people thought that the vast majority of gamers liking NSMBW already bought a Wii before for previous Mario titles, yet it helped sell a lot of consoles, so who can say until the game it's out?
| RolStoppable said: The worst thing about Other M is that it's promoted in the same way that I hate since the PS1 days. We get new trailers and all they show are FMVs and that always gives me the impression that the actual game can't speak for itself. Why do they hide the game from us? There's nothing wrong with giving us a glimpse at the introductory parts of the game. I will buy the game like the sheep that I am, but I do not like what I am seeing so far. |
except that we got a shit ton of gameplay in the announcement trailer. we've only got 2 official trailers, the second FMV one doesn't negate the fact that we were shown gameplay on day 1. it would be worrying if there was many FMV only trailers but one of them shoudlnt be much to worry about
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| RolStoppable said: @Alby M:OM, a cinematic game, competes directly against the bulk of HD games. That alone reduces its chances to move hardware. Additionally, those people who adore cinematic games quite often also happen to hate Nintendo's games. Regarding NSMB Wii, the people you are talking about either had no clue or were biased. M:OM doesn't have wide appeal and so far it's not unlikely that it will fail to sell a million copies. |
That's why this may actually be a good thing. It goes against the grain, which means it diversifies, potentially selling the game.
I have heard of a few people who are considering buying a Wii just for this. They're the kind of people who think that Nintendo is finally "getting it"
Not a viewpoint i agree with at all, but a lot of people find cinema and these action-y games to be the future of games (i believe we had a hilarious editorial around here to that effect), and have lost interest in Nintendo franchises because Nintendo refuses "to grow up with their audience"

Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Sorry to interupt but since when has Metroid been a system seller, the highest selling Metroid game took a while to reach it's 2.8m mark, they're a 1-2m seller but not system movers as those are reserved for the likes of Mario and Zelda who push 7-8m units a pop, Metroid is more a fans game then system seller as it's far more advance then most games even the 2d games so it has limited appeal. Very good series no doubt but it's in the same catagory as the Pikmins and such in which they're just really good games with some good sales, worry about Metroid being a system seller people may as well worry about Pikmin and so on as well.
As far as Other M is concerned I'm only bothered about one thing, that's turns out f**king class, f**k the system seller sh*t because Mario, Zelda and the next Wii series game will cover that easily.
In regards to Metroid I've learned never to listern to their fans concerns because I bought Prime first day and it turned out amazing, if they're concerned about this then count me in the OM bandwagon, OM from what I hear is 3d in which the camera shifts to a perspective closests to 2d to mimic the feel of the likes of Super Metroid. You can actually go into first person and look around, to me this sounds like Metroids own version and answer to NSMBW only it's not really 2d.
I am simultaneously intrigued and horrified at Otomakas' vision.
Try something new people, god is it so bad to try new things?
If it doesn't work they can always go back to the tried and true formula.
Not enough people actually innovate in this world... just copy, paste and adjust.
Its one of the reasons I will always love Nintendo even with their negatives, they are part of the few companies in the world who really try new things.
As far as the whole system seller argument, you can't always focus on system sellers. You HAVE to take a step back and satisfy your customers as well. I see this as Nintendo hearing the hardcore fans asking for more 'core' games so they put their Metroid team to work with Team Ninja to provide it. I have a feeling they are working on a Fzero/starfox like 'core' game as well for 2011.
If you keep focusing on 'raking' in new people then you will start to loose the very customer base you are trying to build. Nintendo knows this and is trying to balance their resources between expansion and retention of their customer base. Its not easy, especially with the diverse crowd Nintendo has in its user base. my 2 cents :)
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| RolStoppable said: @Alby M:OM, a cinematic game, competes directly against the bulk of HD games. That alone reduces its chances to move hardware. Additionally, those people who adore cinematic games quite often also happen to hate Nintendo's games. Regarding NSMB Wii, the people you are talking about either had no clue or were biased. M:OM doesn't have wide appeal and so far it's not unlikely that it will fail to sell a million copies. |
Yes, obviously we're talking about different scales, but believe me that it was easy to think that the vast majority of NSMBW already bought a Wii for previous Mario games, not for bias, but simply due to the success the best previous Mario games for Wii and Wii itself already had. Instead it oviously moved HW, most probably combining several mechanisms: directly persuading some new users, but also increasing the critical mass of noteworthy games up to a point that more users were persuaded not by a single game, but by a wide set of them, and also, the marketing for the game acted in synergy with Wii marketing and Xmas season. And there is surely something else I don't figure out now.
About people hating "typical" Nintendo games, Wii offers a wider choice to them, so I think only rabid haters will exclude categorically to purchase a Wii. I haven't loved Mario games for almost 15 years now (after playing some Mario and Wario games on my sister's and a former gf of mine's Gameboys, I actually went as far as hating Mario for years and I don't like portables even now), nevertheless I'm attracted by Wii.
If the point is that Metroid should stay about gameplay and not story elements, I'm all for that.
The whole video games = movies thing never made much sense to me to begin with.
| LordTheNightKnight said: Malstrom did not assume Prime would flop. He actually stated it depended on how well it would turn out. He has even stated so about this game as well, so assuming he is hating on it shows you aren't reading what he wrote. His issue is focusing on Samus, ignoring that she was an audience surrogate before. |
Are you talking about Other M, or was Malstrom writing in 2002?
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