Thank you representative of all gamers.  It's great to know that we can count on our gaming representatives to ensure that all definitions, standards and policies for our industry are as black and white as possible with no gray area what so ever.  And that only your perspectives matter.  I mean my gosh, what would happen if people actually used their Wii to play video games?  Such a preposterous notion indeed.  

In fact, I propose that you as a gamer representative announce more solid definitions for Wii such as what the games should be called.  We can't call them video games since the Wii isn't a video game system.  It's a toy, right?  Perhaps video toys?  Calling them video games gives them too much credit.  Games aren't toys, right?

Oh, and we need to defiine usage qualifications.  I suggest we take whatever number is lower between PS3 and X360 and proclaim that any toy that plays video toys for a play time average less that than the preceding 2 video game consoles be labeled as a toy. 

Don't take it personal VIPER1, It's my opinion. Opinions can't be wrong!!!!

Who told you opinions can't be wrong?  Opinions can be very wrong.

Woulda coulda shoulda. Hey what if the N64 useind CDs instead of cartages? Who cares cause thats not what happened. lol. Also the price point your pointing out there is playing right into one of my main arguments. They made the Wii weak, hardware wise, and becuse of that it was cheaper. That was a tatical decision and THE CORRECT ONE! Most of the time the most powerfull machine dosen't win the generation anyways and this ones no exception.

And what did Sony do? Made a console that costs, at launch, ~$800 to make and was selling it at an insane $600 pricetag and STILL taking huges losses on each one sold. Then they go out, like the arragant assholes they were, and tell you to "get a second job"! lol i mean really. Then they get there heads out of there asses, after being beaten by the 360 and dismantaled by the Wii and finally put it at a good price point @$300. And now there making some headway. And hey soon they wont be losing money on everyone they sell lol, WOOT!

Non of this really matter though. You have your PS3 and 360 and love them both. You don't understand why people like me love the Wii. Thats fine but please just repect that others love the Wii more than the HD twins. And were not all soccer moms and noob dumb ass casuals ok. Thats all i ask.

@Viper1:

pretty venomous bro lol. Goes with your avatar lol, i like it. Keep up the good fight brother.

Opinions are frequently wrong. And usually smell like ass. That would explain the odor in this thread.

^LoL Claude haha bring the Fabreeze.

I know it's more complicated than that and I fully agree with the reasons you've pointed out. But some of them have bigger impact than others.

Online sucks, hardware is weak - yes, compared to HD twins yes. But that's not holding some titles to sell gangbusters. If you are Wii owner, your competetion is on the Wii, so it's fair race for everyone who's willing to participate. Wii has practicaly 50% marketshare, yet those 3rd party non casual new IP games sell less than comparable titles on HD twins. So what is(are) the main reason(s)?

Not enough marketing (advertising issues)

Niche titles

Lower quality titles

Casual / non gamer audience

Which problems can be adressed and which can't? Everything except the audience, you can hardly affect that if you are developer / publisher. Now if we took some of the games I've pointed out couple of pages before, we could try to find which one of these issues concerns given title most. But when you rule out Lower quality and Niche title, there isn't much excuses left to justify poor sales on the largest userbase, other than the casual / non gamer audience. Marketing and advertising is strong in the gaming community due to word-of-mouth, basically if given title is really great, it will find it's way (Demon's Souls for example).

Maybe I forgot something, but the logical conclusion for me is still the same:

The main reason why good "hardcore" games aren't selling well on the Wii is due to the mostly casual audience. There are other factors in place, but I feel that this is the most important one.

fyi Mario Kart Wii isn't really casual game in my book, I was thinking more about Mini game collections, sports, music games etc...

Not so much that I'm taking it personally nor did I intend to single you out but merely to demonstrate via your post that it's unreasonable to relegate a notion such as Wii being a toy vs a video game console based personal opinion given that personal opinion has no relevance to a fact.

You can say a chihuahua isn't a real dog all you want but the fact is it is a real dog whether some people like it or not.  The same with Wii.  You can say it's not a real video game console all you want but it is.

Does it make guys like you feel better to call it something as a means to trvialize its merit?  The superiority complex on display by many PS3 owners is what seems to generate this inane agenda to extol the virtues of PS3 and demoralize the Wii.

The Wii winning this generation's sales race doesn't diminish the PS3 in any capacity yet it appears many PS3 owners cannot fathom this obvious notion and will do all they can to project their "superior" console as superior in every facet even if irrational and irrelevant.

LOL! this guys an idiot. I wonder why he's not the CEO at DICE anymore. Hmmmm I wonder???

Yeah, the Wii is a virus. Everlasting. And the 360 is bacteria . . .