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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Senua's Saga: Hellblade II announced for Xbox: Series X

Is it just me or as console graphics improve it becomes harder to discern the jump in quality from screenshots and trailers that you watch on a screen that is not running the game live. This game looks great. But it looks like any other 3D animation I watch on my laptop. I want to see it in person.



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trunkswd said:
curl-6 said:

I remember thinking that back in 2002 when I first saw Rogue Squadron II running on the Gamecube, and again when I first saw Gears of War running on 360.

It has been a long while since I was blown away by a leap in graphics for a game. Nothing this generation really stood out as a huge leap like with Gears of War as you mentioned. I do remember being blown away by the leap from 2D to 3D. than again I was a kid when that happened. 

Yeah I feel exactly the same way, nothing this gen blew my mind the way Rogue Squadron II or Gears 1 did. About the closest I've gotten to that feeling since 2009 with Uncharted 2 was seeing games like, topically, Hellblade 1 running on Switch and being like "holy crap, how is this running on a handheld device?"



CGI-Quality said:
To me, we've had quite a few games this gen that were head-and-shoulders above anything the PS3 or 360 could do (The Order: 1886, Metro Exodus, and Death Stranding immediately come to mind). It's been quite the gen for visuals.

That said, you haven't seen anything yet.

Oh there's definitely been games this gen that look much better than anything PS3/360 could do, absolutely, even on Switch there's games that clearly exceed last gen graphically. The perceptible leap just wasn't as impactful as prior generational gaps to me personally. Perhaps next gen the difference will be more pronounced to my subjective perception.



Snoopy said:
trunkswd said:
It is a good start for Microsoft leading into the next generation. Xbox Series X confirmed games include Halo Infinite and Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II. Anything else? I know the trailer for the console also showed what looks like Forza and FIFA.

Probably a Forza Motorsport game and I have a gut feeling Dead Rising 5.

I doubt there will be another Dead Rising game anytime soon.  Also it looks like Forza Motorsports 8 will probably be not ready for the launch of the console.



CGI-Quality said:

So, let's chat...

What if I told you that this character model was not just an in-engine model? :P

A common trend with this gen's games seems to be near identical models between cutscenes and gameplay, but scaled lighting quality really enhancing the closeups. Wouldn't surprise me to see the same thing next gen with cutscenes looking like that shot and gameplay looking more like the night scene with the torches.

Me likey.



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If those Hellblade 2 trailer graphics are accurate to what we'll see during gameplay, and from an early 9th gen game no less, the jump from PS4/Xbone to PS5/XSX looks to be more impressive than the jump from PS3/360 to PS4/Xbone, at least to my eyes.



curl-6 said:

If those Hellblade 2 trailer graphics are accurate to what we'll see during gameplay, and from an early 9th gen game no less, the jump from PS4/Xbone to PS5/XSX looks to be more impressive than the jump from PS3/360 to PS4/Xbone, at least to my eyes.

I think the issue we had last gen was that PC games were looking generationally ahead YEARS before the 8th gen consoles launched, so it felt like there wasn't a big jump when consoles caught up, when there technically was.

Seems that window will be a bit shorter this time around so the jump will feel more impressive and immediate.



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curl-6 said:

If those Hellblade 2 trailer graphics are accurate to what we'll see during gameplay, and from an early 9th gen game no less, the jump from PS4/Xbone to PS5/XSX looks to be more impressive than the jump from PS3/360 to PS4/Xbone, at least to my eyes.

I feel you, but at the same time I think those enviroments are totally doable. These are some enviromental examples of RDR2 running on my PC on Ultra:



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trunkswd said:
curl-6 said:

If those Hellblade 2 trailer graphics are accurate to what we'll see during gameplay, and from an early 9th gen game no less, the jump from PS4/Xbone to PS5/XSX looks to be more impressive than the jump from PS3/360 to PS4/Xbone, at least to my eyes.

PS4 and Xbox One were quite underpowered from launch compared to PCs, while the 360 and PS3 were a more higher end with what was available at the time. It looks like Microsoft and Sony are going with higher end specs once again. 

Nah. Mid-range again.

An 8-core Zen 2 chip is a mid-range CPU on the desktop right now... 2-4 cores are low-end, 6-8 cores are mid-range, 12-16-18 core parts are high-end and 24-32-64 cores are Enthusiast.
And by the time next-gen consoles launch, Zen 3 will be on the market with a rumored 15% IPC uplift with potentially increased clockspeeds and core counts, so that will push an 8-core Zen 2 further down the ladder to potentially the low-end part of the market.

RDNA 2 will be on the market as well, Navi was a hybrid RDNA+GCN hybrid graphics processor, still retains the GCN instruction set even, RDNA 2 should offer some sizable IPC gains and new features like Ray Tracing. (Which is being backported to Navi for the consoles.)

Conversely, nVidia will have the RTX 3000 series on the market as well and will be nVidia's first foray into 7nm, so expect some big things, wouldn't be surprised to see gains of 50%.

And then you have the Ram... 16GB of potential system memory on the consoles isn't massive, especially as it's shared between all components verses the PC, the SSD does make up for that somewhat as they should be able to stream data on demand more effectively, but it is still not as good as real Ram.

So yeah. Next-gen consoles will be comparatively mid-range devices just like the 8th gen... You can only fit so much into a small box with a tiny budget, it's impressive they achieve what they do though.

Last edited by Pemalite - on 14 December 2019

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Well that's one game that has me excited for a Microsoft console,curious how many more interesting exclusives they will show next year.
But good move from them.