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LurkerJ said:
uran10 said:

On top of all of this, I also believe that there is a 0% chance of Joe Biden winning the presidency, aka beating Trump. His record is the embodiment of everything Trump ran against in 2016 and if you guys think he wont pull that fake populist thing again, you're crazy. He's already doing it on twitter by calling out the DNC planning on cheating Bernie in 2020.

Let me say this again, the only thing that can beat a fake right wing populist is a real Left Wing Populist.

One of the major things that got him elected, isn't it? Him being among the few who calls out the mainstream media to their on their constant BS'ing. A lot of people end up relating to what he says because it's true despite the fact that he's a fake person.

Fortunately, Bernie has been critical of the media as well and has been telling people that the media isn't discussing the issues that affect their daily lives for decades, and you can bet Americans will ditch Trump for Bernie IF they're given the chance.

Who do you consider to be "mainstream media" and on the other side "non-mainstream media"? Thanks & cheers!



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LurkerJ said:


Can you recommend good non-mainstream and trustworthy media sources references? Thanks



Biden accuses Sanders campaign of releasing 'doctored' video, calls it a lie:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN1ZH0MM

And here's the fact-checkers:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/



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uran10 said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Moving on from the backstabber, one of the worst things about that debate was that Joe Biden didn't get properly vetted on foreign policy before Iowa. It's so fucked up that he made it through that many debates with little more than Bernie calling out his Iraq War vote. At the end of the day, if Trump gets us into a war with Iran, I trust Bernie, not Biden, to get us out. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to audit the Pentagon, fight back against the military industrial complex, and divert money from the bloated defense budget to places that money is actually needed. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to build the progressive alliances we need to take the necessary level of international action against climate change and against the uber rich and their tax havens.

On top of all of this, I also believe that there is a 0% chance of Joe Biden winning the presidency, aka beating Trump. His record is the embodiment of everything Trump ran against in 2016 and if you guys think he wont pull that fake populist thing again, you're crazy. He's already doing it on twitter by calling out the DNC planning on cheating Bernie in 2020.

Let me say this again, the only thing that can beat a fake right wing populist is a real Left Wing Populist.

What's more, Trump is running on emotions, not facts. And with all his gaffes, Biden really serves Trump the ammunition he's gonna use against his democratic opponent himself, and on a silver platter to boot. Trump would crush Biden due to this alone.

Trump can't do that with Bernie. Trump would call him a socialist, but that's the reason why he's winning, so Trump got noting here. Only thing would be Bernie's age... but Trump barely is any younger.

Edit: While we're at Biden vs Bernie: Biden just lost the first national democratic poll since mid November to Bernie: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-poll/sanders-climbs-now-tied-with-biden-among-registered-voters-reuters-poll-idUSKBN1ZG00D

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Just gonna Leave this thread here for Biden on Social Security real quick.



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I'm not a fan of Biden in the least. I hope he loses the nomination, because if he wins it we are losing the general election. That being said, the Bernie camp is spreading an outright lie about him wanting to shut down Social Security. I won't stand for that. Here's what Biden said in it's full context...

Biden is making fun of Paul Ryan's Social Security cuts, not promoting them.



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Cerebralbore101 said:

I'm not a fan of Biden in the least. I hope he loses the nomination, because if he wins it we are losing the general election. That being said, the Bernie camp is spreading an outright lie about him wanting to shut down Social Security. I won't stand for that. Here's what Biden said in it's full context...

Biden is making fun of Paul Ryan's Social Security cuts, not promoting them.

Apparently no one bothered to click Uran's links. Biden may not have advocated "shutting down" Social Security in the clip above, just as he never advocated "shutting it down" but that doesn't mean he didn't advocate cutting it in some way. Here he is advocating freezing it, and sure, he advocates freezing all spending, but why freeze something that millions of seniors depend on to live?

Look how proud he is of that! Know what else he's proud of? Working to get a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget, something that Paul Ryan wanted for years because it would FORCE the cutting of Social Security. Here's that:

And lest you say that was a long time ago, here he is running for President in 07, again supporting Social Security cuts.

If you want to call Bernie a liar, I can't stop you, but I suggest you believe Biden when he says he wants to cut Social Security, because these clips aren't hard to find and will make for some potent ads against Biden in the general election.