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TWRoO said:
ha that first video was funny "OMG there's red stuff!"
also pretty funny showing the dev team at the start, four people to make a game :D

second vid i din't really understand, just looked like a wierd game of hangman.

and seriously what was that third game?, if that was Manhunt then i am going to have to agree with a lot of the media that was just wrong and that game should have been AO
  

Yes, barbarian was a nice game back then, but most of its publicity came from the graphic violence.


The second one is Commando Libya. The movie pictures one of the bonus stages, in the other one you execute people against a wall if I remember correct.

Yes, the third one is Manhunt and I personally think it's a pretty sick game. The worst thing IMHO is that you get rewarded by killing people the most brutal way. 

 



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I don't mean to censor everything related to violence or sex but I do think there are certain limits for things... Over the limit I would consider it as bas taste and sick.

I wonder though why people like violence so much? What is fun about torturing and making someone scream to death? Wouldn't you consider it kinda sick/twisted?



famousringo said:
 

I'm not sure where you live, but here in North America violent crime rates have been falling pretty steadily. So I don't think you can argue that society is becoming more violent. The most linked causes of violent crime are poverty and youth. Since the population has been getting older and richer, society had been getting less violent, not more.

As to sexuality, I would challenge you to argue that sexuality is somehow inherently immoral. I doubt you'll be able to do so without logical fallacies. I have no idea why pictures of naked women are more offensive to Western society than graphic murders. Nobody has ever died from boobies.


American society please, I never heard anyone complain about tits in computer games EVER in Western Europe.

And WHY do people keep on connecting SEX and VIOLENCE, or even mention them together.  

 



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rasone77 said:

The world is definately becoming more free with things that used to be taboo, unlike ssj12 I think this is a bad thing, in that, we have created a society (at least in the Americas) that is solely conserned with pleasing oneself without regard to consequences or responsibilities. Anyone who thinks that increased sex with multiple partners or wanton violence is a good thing obviously hasn't thought about the results of these things.

Teenage Pregnancy, the spread of incurable STDs, school-shootings, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes are directly related to the increase in instances of these acts portrayed in the media in general (not just video-games, and movies). All of these things listed above have increased dramatically in America and have done so ever since advertisers and media outlets stopped self-policing themselves and began releasing more contraversial material and IPs while standing on a podium of free-speech.

I don't believe the media to be the sole cause of the increase in unsafe and violent practices however, and before people start flaming me, it should be know that I personally don't have a problem with any of these things, nor do I object completely to questionable movies, video-games and advertisements. I do have a problem with people not talking to their children about sex, and violence in movies and monitoring what they are exposed to. By acting like it's not a problem, they run the risk of their children becoming disturbed by these images to the point where they act out, or participate in unsafe behaviors.

People are not going to change what other people do on a massive scale, but you can change the world around you by making an effort to change what you can. People in America are just too damned lazy to try, or they want to pawn off the responsibilty on someone else. Who in all likely-hood never marketed their product to Joe-Psycho-fifteen-year-old in the first place.

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@Famousringo I don't think sex is inherently immoral, however, many of the reasons not to have sex with multiple partners are sound advice and should be seriously considered as a reason NOT to be sexualy hyperactive. In the same vien, pornography has ruined many relationships and should be considered taboo for anyone in a relationship where devotion is expected (unless both partners enjoy it of course).

There are also many studies that show the presence of two parents in the household is important for the stable development of children. In fact, one study done on convicts in the penal system, discovered that almost 80% of inmates had no father figure in the home while growing up. This is a huge problem that only becomes more compounded when wholesale sex with multiple partners becomes normal; at that point no one wants to be monogomous; marriage is treated as a joke and as a final death-knell to the freedom to bang anything you want. I think that does more damage to children and creates more criminals than all the images of violence in every video-game Rockstar produces.


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andrewpeirce said:
rasone77 said:

The world is definately becoming more free with things that used to be taboo, unlike ssj12 I think this is a bad thing, in that, we have created a society (at least in the Americas) that is solely conserned with pleasing oneself without regard to consequences or responsibilities. Anyone who thinks that increased sex with multiple partners or wanton violence is a good thing obviously hasn't thought about the results of these things.

Teenage Pregnancy, the spread of incurable STDs, school-shootings, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes are directly related to the increase in instances of these acts portrayed in the media in general (not just video-games, and movies). All of these things listed above have increased dramatically in America and have done so ever since advertisers and media outlets stopped self-policing themselves and began releasing more contraversial material and IPs while standing on a podium of free-speech.

I don't believe the media to be the sole cause of the increase in unsafe and violent practices however, and before people start flaming me, it should be know that I personally don't have a problem with any of these things, nor do I object completely to questionable movies, video-games and advertisements. I do have a problem with people not talking to their children about sex, and violence in movies and monitoring what they are exposed to. By acting like it's not a problem, they run the risk of their children becoming disturbed by these images to the point where they act out, or participate in unsafe behaviors.

People are not going to change what other people do on a massive scale, but you can change the world around you by making an effort to change what you can. People in America are just too damned lazy to try, or they want to pawn off the responsibilty on someone else. Who in all likely-hood never marketed their product to Joe-Psycho-fifteen-year-old in the first place.

EDIT:

@Famousringo I don't think sex is inherently immoral, however, many of the reasons not to have sex with multiple partners are sound advice and should be seriously considered as a reason NOT to be sexualy hyperactive. In the same vien, pornography has ruined many relationships and should be considered taboo for anyone in a relationship where devotion is expected (unless both partners enjoy it of course).

There are also many studies that show the presence of two parents in the household is important for the stable development of children. In fact, one study done on convicts in the penal system, discovered that almost 80% of inmates had no father figure in the home while growing up. This is a huge problem that only becomes more compounded when wholesale sex with multiple partners becomes normal; at that point no one wants to be monogomous; marriage is treated as a joke and as a final death-knell to the freedom to bang anything you want. I think that does more damage to children and creates more criminals than all the images of violence in every video-game Rockstar produces.


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Well, I'm gonna argue one thing another poster said. Violent crime is decreasing. It's been going up since 2004,(2007 figures aren't in yet), but property crimes have gone down. Anywho, whether you like it or not violence isn't caused solely by videogames. There's many more socioeconomic factors involved. In fact, the vast majority ( upwards of 80%) of death row inmates are illiterate. There's more of a correlation between education/ and economic status, than video games. I'll admit that I'm a violent video game fan, but the fact is video games are a scapegoat, for the real issues. Besides, I don't think it is possible to play a video game without any violence or sex. I use both terms very loosely, more in a freudian sense. Because even mario is violent, just much more subtle. Same thing with games where you create things. On a very primordial level, destruction and creation seem to be very basic human desires. I think would leads to many of the problems in this society is the supression of natural human things and the taboos that come from making people feel guilty. "Ooooh Johnny you have a playboy, you're going to burn in hell!" <-- these type of things are more detrimental to society than video games. Although, I think that current esrb things are good, I think people should actually read them. I don't think games like manhunt 2 should be censored, just make it 18+.

 

Oh and also, the reason women are seen more as an object. I'll take a wild guess at it but maybe from Judeo-Christian values? If violence in media is the real underlying cause, how come I haven't seen one significant study validating that claim. The only evidence that I've seen has been anecdotal non-sense, (post hoc ergo propter hoc shit) Because he played grand theft auto, he went and shot those people. You know why that's convenient? It's convenient because it doesn't adress the gap and the emergence of classes in our society. Here's some figures 

 

Population below poverty line:

12% (2004 est.)
Household income or consumption by percentage share:


lowest 10%: 1.8%
highest 10%: 30.5% (1997)

 

 That's from the cia world fact book. The economykeeps growing so I'm assuming that the wealth gap is increased as well. 



while i will say i love games like loco roko, i have to say war games and there ilk have always been a past time of mine board games to video, (i grew up on army bases) but the violence and sex is here in the real world, i have been robbed at gun point coming home, and live right next to a campus, so drinking and people have sex where you stumble across it isnt that odd. Id have to say not necicarly moraly corrupt, but more socialy open, which has the side effect of allowing people to become dregs if they want to.

I have no problem with that

games are a mere reflection of that, it also allows excapism and fantasys peopel do things they can never do in life and wouldnt dream of doing.

on top of that alot of it is just funny, and since we know its not real its taken out of the "real world" context

i dont normaly play doa but buy a copy when it comes out, and when friends come in from out of town that dont play fps, sports or stratagy, we bring it out to play, alot of girls want to play it....

the more violent ones i own hitman, its hard, very hard to complete, and its thought provoking working on ways to win...

halo, its interactive scifi story, with great online support, primary fps when friends are over

dead rising... its funny to kill zombies, even more so when its bloody and i can do it with random things...

WWII games.... NAZIS they are the worlds enamies ... also, when playing as them, pretend your brainwashed

never got it to gta



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famousringo said:
andrewpeirce said:

It seems like very generation in video games, there are more quality games that focus mainly on violence and sex. There have pretty much always been violence and sex in games- in my opinion the quality and quantity of these games began to rise in the Snes era, and have not stopped. We are not at the point where you can simulate virtual murder by going through motion sensitive murder gestures that initiate gruesome murders on your TV. Whats happening to gaming? Whats causing this?

I have a couple guesses, and none of them are mutually exclusive.

The first is that, as video game graphics get better, it is easier to represent sex and vilence in games. For example, GTA was portably not possible until last gen.

Another guess is that people are just curious about violence or aspects of violence, and are trying to understand it. This could be especially true in games such as Call of Duty.

Yet another guess is that society in general is become morally corrupt. For example, there is a banner add on this website that has a partially naked woman. No one, including myself, thinks anything of this banner I bet. IT's just the way it is. Perhaps that is happening with video games as well; as violence and sexuality become more accepted in society, these ideas become more prevelant in the game.

My last guess is that the number of violent and sexual games is increasing because there is a market for it. This on is pretty obvious though :P

Please note that I am not for banning violent or sexual video games, though I am morally opposed to games such as Leisure suit Larry: Magnu Cam Laude or Manhunt.

What do you think is causing the increase in sexuality and violence in gaming?


 I'm not sure where you live, but here in North America violent crime rates have been falling pretty steadily. So I don't think you can argue that society is becoming more violent. The most linked causes of violent crime are poverty and youth. Since the population has been getting older and richer, society had been getting less violent, not more.

 As to sexuality, I would challenge you to argue that sexuality is somehow inherently immoral. I doubt you'll be able to do so without logical fallacies. I have no idea why pictures of naked women are more offensive to Western society than graphic murders. Nobody has ever died from boobies.


Actually atleast 2 people have been killed by suffocation in strip clubs to do large breasts.

andrewpeirce said:

It seems like very generation in video games, there are more quality games that focus mainly on violence and sex. There have pretty much always been violence and sex in games- in my opinion the quality and quantity of these games began to rise in the Snes era, and have not stopped. We are not at the point where you can simulate virtual murder by going through motion sensitive murder gestures that initiate gruesome murders on your TV. Whats happening to gaming? Whats causing this?

I have a couple guesses, and none of them are mutually exclusive.

The first is that, as video game graphics get better, it is easier to represent sex and vilence in games. For example, GTA was portably not possible until last gen.

Another guess is that people are just curious about violence or aspects of violence, and are trying to understand it. This could be especially true in games such as Call of Duty.

Yet another guess is that society in general is become morally corrupt. For example, there is a banner add on this website that has a partially naked woman. No one, including myself, thinks anything of this banner I bet. IT's just the way it is. Perhaps that is happening with video games as well; as violence and sexuality become more accepted in society, these ideas become more prevelant in the game.

My last guess is that the number of violent and sexual games is increasing because there is a market for it. This on is pretty obvious though :P

Please note that I am not for banning violent or sexual video games, though I am morally opposed to games such as Leisure suit Larry: Magnu Cam Laude or Manhunt.

What do you think is causing the increase in sexuality and violence in gaming?

 
This is because as a society we are much more desensitized to violence. It has a lot to do with the 9/11/01 attacks on the US. 

 



SNesboy, do you honestly think 9/11 is to blame or is it not just a convinent excuse, with social freedoms that have been growing, it is to be expected, as is the backlash that is current where antigay laws, drug laws, blue laws, are coming back, or they tax things they see as corrupting scocity, dont be fooled a gaming ax is coming its only a matter of time.



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