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KBG29 on 24 May 2009

PS3 will be around for a long time, much longer than 10 years. As you said in the OP, it is not power people want, it is software. In ten years PS3 will be extreamly cheap, and have more software than any other platform on the market. Yes, even more than Wii. Why? Because Sony will make this happen. Sony will do what it takes to keep the product rolling, whether it be marketing, price reductions, new features, or something else. As a company they are behind Playstation more than any other platform. Why? Because Playstation is the platform were they can sell the most software, and software makes money.

As stupid as some of the companies move may seem. They really do have some very smart people that know a lot more about the future than any of us.



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theRepublic on 24 May 2009
KBG29 said:
PS3 will be around for a long time, much longer than 10 years. As you said in the OP, it is not power people want, it is software. In ten years PS3 will be extreamly cheap, and have more software than any other platform on the market. Yes, even more than Wii. Why? Because Sony will make this happen. Sony will do what it takes to keep the product rolling, whether it be marketing, price reductions, new features, or something else. As a company they are behind Playstation more than any other platform. Why? Because Playstation is the platform were they can sell the most software, and software makes money.

As stupid as some of the companies move may seem. They really do have some very smart people that know a lot more about the future than any of us.

Both consoles have been on the market for the same amount of time.  According to our database there are 879 Wii games, and 479 PS3 games.  Do you have some evidence of this trend reversing?



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d21lewis on 24 May 2009

Good OP, and a pretty good thread, thus far. It didn't get all of the facts right, but for the most part, it was a good read. Keep up the good work.



Megadude on 24 May 2009
theRepublic said:
KBG29 said:
PS3 will be around for a long time, much longer than 10 years. As you said in the OP, it is not power people want, it is software. In ten years PS3 will be extreamly cheap, and have more software than any other platform on the market. Yes, even more than Wii. Why? Because Sony will make this happen. Sony will do what it takes to keep the product rolling, whether it be marketing, price reductions, new features, or something else. As a company they are behind Playstation more than any other platform. Why? Because Playstation is the platform were they can sell the most software, and software makes money.

As stupid as some of the companies move may seem. They really do have some very smart people that know a lot more about the future than any of us.

Both consoles have been on the market for the same amount of time.  According to our database there are 879 Wii games, and 479 PS3 games.  Do you have some evidence of this trend reversing?

Now how many of those games are shovelware/PS2/Gamecube games? Quite a few? Talk to Ninty.



|_emmiwinks on 24 May 2009

This thread is dead to me, the last two pages saw the irrational Wiitards come out of the woodwork and turn what was a semi-civilized discussion into "Sony Fanboy this" and "Sony Fanboy that" and "lol ur consolez is ded!".

Its pathetic. If this site wants to maintain any shred of its already small credibility it should ban people for the use of "Fanboy".

ugh. Squil, you fought the good fight, I say we bounce before our brains leak from our skulls.



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"Why post something like this when all it will get is PS3 owners blinded to reality replying? BOTH THE PS3 AND BLUE-RAY WILL NOT LAST 3 YEARS! TECHNOLOGY CHANGED TOO FAST!"

"is it Wii FIt that has sold as many as PS3's sold? Thats a LOL Look at the total sales of software is it just me that sees Nintendo titles hitting 10m+ and you say they arent making a difference? Another LOL!"

"Hell, with all the negative hype Sony spin, people just aren't interested cost is too high and to get the true HD experience (1080p, 7.1 surround) you will need a $1000+ system. THAT IS GOING TO DO IT IN A RECESSION! PS4 will not happen"

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BMaker11 on 24 May 2009
SaviorX said:
BMaker11 said:
SaviorX said:
Smashchu, I'm sorry that these Sony guys (with the exception of the honorable Squilliam) jumped on you like a pack of hyenas.

At least you have the fact that I believed you to give you comfort.

I hear the same excuses coming from you guys all the time. Great games COMING. Where are they now? Stop preaching about how Sony's software will miraculously turn hardware sales around. 70m Lifetime? Please. You act like MS will just be twiddling its thumbs while Sony tries to recuperate from their financial beating.

Then, the price cut. 300 or 200, what makes you think 4 years after the gen starts, a price cut will just boost sales to near Wii levels? A price cut usually does boost HW, but this is 2010 we are taking about where this will take place. Consumer interest may be ninexistent at that point. Did a price drop help the Gamecube?

And it is funny that you guys somehowcooked up a theory that the Wii will somehow lose 3rd party support? In this "economy" that has "put a knife in third years sales" (as Squilliam put it") how in the world would devs just start making games for the most taxing and expensive console on the market?

Smashchu said hardware is supported by software, and ho couldn't be any more right in this case. What game does Sony have that all consumers may want to play, not Kojima aficionados or former PS2 owners?
They don't have a game over 5m yet, and until Gran Turismo comes out, they may not ever. Killzone 2 will take several more months to touch 2m, not nearly enough to help Sony at all. People complain about the Wii library, but that thing sells everything.

PS3 will be dead in the water before 10 years are up.

Paragraph 1: People say that because the great games are ALWAYS coming! It started in 2006, and consistantly great games have come out. It'll be no different in 2010, when newer games get released after the games we're waiting on now have already came out. And PS while we're waiting for games to "come", we'll still be playing KZ2, MGS4, LBP, etc to hold us over

Paragraph 2: Price cut will defintiely help because the DEMAND IS THERE. If it won't help, then please tell me why a $400 PS3 is only selling 10k less than a $200 360? Especially since you want to talk about "do you think M$ will just be twiddling their tumbs". Also, take into consideration how when the PS3 was cut to $400 the first time, it was outselling a $350 360

Paragraph 3: Nobody here said that the Wii will lose 3rd party support. The OP said that the PS3 will lose 3rd party support and that their will be a "shift of resources to the Wii". First off, if that's true, then why are all the big 3rd party titles still only on the HD consoles? Since resources are supposed to be shifted, why is there no Wii version of FFXIII...I mean Crystal Tools is SUPPOSED to run on the console, right? Why was the Wii not even considered for RE5? Why does EA still make the proper versions of their sports games on the HD consoles, while the Wii either gets the "All-Play" version, or a cartoony pseudo-NFL Blitz looking game? The only 3rd party company that anyones care about that's doing any major investing in the Wii is Sega...and with the abysmal sales of MadWorld and HotD, they have paid for it.

Paragraph 4: This is just moot. You want to talk about "which game is must have on the PS3?" What game is must have on the Wii? Mario? Zelda? Metroid? Mario Kart? Other random staple franchise? They didn't save the GC or N64, so don't use those games as examples. If you want to talk down about the PS3 because of stuff like Wii Fit and Wii Play selling millions, you're out of the loop with games. Software does in fact sell consoles, otherwise why DO you think the PS3 is only 10K below the 360, which like I said, has an entry price of $200 (you know, mass market price). If you honestly don't believe that cutting the price will not boost sales significantly, thus helping software sells also (since you want to rag on KZ2) then you're an even bigger fool than smashchu

BUT WHERE ARE THEY? Are they on shelves right now? NO. They are next year, or, coming soon. God of War 3, Gran Turism0 5, Heavy Rain,Uncharted 2.......nothing is here now, where it matters.  Your paragraph one rebuttal is weak. 3+ games to hold you over? That's hilarious. NEXT.

Paragraph 2: What demand? If demand was there,it would be beating the 360.

Paragraph 3: Check the first page of fanboy ranting in this thread, you'll see it. I'm not going to waste my time going back, now that I'm on like page 4 to look for it, but I know you might just to spite me. As for the "BIG" games as you call them, FFXIII has been in development for 5 years, back when they thought PS3 was going to be the winner of this gen. Wii didn't get RE5 because it wasn't strong enough for what they wanted to do with it, but the Wii is still getting Darkside Chronicles anyways. The Wii is getting Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles too, so it is getting a FF game as well. There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT discussing the Wii with you BMaker, because you hate it completely, look at your signature. I'll skip now.

 

Call me a fool if you want, but the bigger fool is the one waiting for his father after he "goes out to get a pack of cigarettes"; the same position Sony fanboys are in right now, waiting for him to come back. And no, I didn'tlike Killzone 2, deal with it.

 

#1 There was an "etc." at the end for a reason. Do you really want me to name off a litter of great PS3 exclusive games that are out RIGHT NOW? Because I can. I just mentioned those 3 games because they were on the top of my head at the time. You just failed

#2 If you knew anything about economics, you'd know that price (not supply) and demand curves pretty much stay the same, but that people are willing to buy more at certain prices. Supply and demand lines can alter, but price and demand stays the same (supply vs demand is determined by manufacturers because they make the product but price vs demand is determined by the consumer market). On the same demand curve, you'll see higher sales at a lower price as you will see lower sales at a higher price. The demand is the same throughout though, because it's all one curve. With that said, if you move the price lower, with the level of demand being the same, sales would be higher. (That was a little sketchy and vague, but I took AGEC217 when I was a freshman in college, and that was a while ago).

#3 You're right, I do hate it. But that doesn't change the fact that it's not getting FFXIII. It may have been in development for 5 years, but that doesn't mean they can't tack on a Wii version. Hell, they're doing it for the 360. And Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles....you mean another spin off, just like all the FFs the Cube got? You're not proving anything. Wii not powerful enough for RE5? It wasn't powerful enough for Dead Rising, yet it still got a version (albeit crappy). Oh, and great...another rail shooter

PS You don't have to like KZ2. A lot of people on VGC don't. But because it didn't sell 10 million, you were trying to use it as a talking point to bash the PS3, which you failed at



Username2324 on 24 May 2009

I only read halfway down before I got fed up with the lies you've told yourself are facts.

Software is not moving to the Wii, if anything it is moving away, there are more and more games that are PS3&360 that leave the Wii out of the picture. And it certainly isn't moving away from the PS3 as more and more exclusives are coming out for the system along with the traditional multi-plat titles.

"Developers are putting more time into the Wii", yeah? Where? The Conduit? That's a single game amongst hundreds of crap products. Even the mighty Nintendo is starting to lack good titles.

Hardware Sales: Look at the other 2 consoles, they are down too, read a newspaper or watch the news lately? Economy.

"Since Sony is relient on third patries for software, " LOL!!!! This statement alone shows how little you know. <---- This is where I stopped reading.



txrattlesnake on 24 May 2009
MazeMe said:
It's funny and pathetic at the same time to see so many Sony fanboys come in a thread and say the classic: ''wait until game X comes out!'', or ''wait until the price drop!''.

The consumer is done waiting. They have already decided which platform wins, which platform is going to live. The Wii. The Playstation 3 will be lucky to make the 6 years, let alone 10. Why? Read the OP: because the people, the consumers, don't want the PS3 that badly.

People who say this generation will last longer can only give one valid reason: the Wii. But the PS3/360 aren't being dragged along by the Wii, they are only dying faster because of it. Why? Because the Wii has changed what people want from their games, and the HD consoles aren't offering that.


Third parties are really stupid for letting the Wii go. By the time they DO shift to the Wii en masse it will already be too late, and the Nintendo first-party will have utter dominance over Wii software sales. Nintendo gave those guys more than enough time.


Tear this post apart. I'm not saying only good things about PS3, so that's what you should try, right. And please, by all means, use lame arguments. They'll just prove my point because they tell me you can't come up with any better reason why I'm wrong.
Hit me. Call me a fanboy and an idiot.

BTW, I feel sorry for the OP to get such a bomb of nerd rage. I'm sorry if this makes it worse.


     Its not rhetoric and its not a question of if X game comes out.  because X game is coming out.  Actually XIII game and V XIII game and GT5 game and T game and U game and more K games and GoW game and HR game.  And its all about the games.

     Your statement that the people that were going to buy FFXIIII, FF Versus XIII, and GT5 in Japan already have a PS3 is bogus because only 3 million PS3s have sold while the cap on the number of copies of the FF games that could potentially sell in Japan is much higher than that especially for the first FF in a gen.  Look at the sales for X 3 million and VII 4 million.  FFXIII and Versus XIII will sell at least as well as either of these and since its been so long since the last FF game they could conceivably sell 5 million copies in Japan which would mean they would move at least one million more PS3s because the only console that you can play these games on in Japan is the PS3 and the only console you can play these two games on worldwide with all the bells and whistles is the PS3 guaranteeing greater success for the PS3 version of FFXIII and V XIII (which is still a PS3 exclusive) in the West as well.  Furthermore games like Yakuza 3 and White Knight Chronicles move PS3 units.  In fact those games moved enough PS3 units to put the PS3 on top of the Wii for 3 months in a row of this year already. And if Yakuza and WKC move PS3s in Japan, then Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy will move many more. 

 

Also the Wii hasn't changed what people want from their games.  Its true that the Wii has four games that have had exceptional sales, but many of the games on the console that are superior to those games have failed to pass 1 million copies in sales.  And games like Fallout 3, GTA IV, Gears, MGS4, and Halo continue to sell millions of copies on other consoles and far more than do similar types of games on the Wii.  About all the Wii has managed to do is create a very isolationist group of gamers that know nothing about games.  Its great if all you want to play in the future are clones of Wii Sports and Wii Play, but not so much if you want more out of your games than that.

 



BMaker11 on 24 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
MazeMe said:
It's funny and pathetic at the same time to see so many Sony fanboys come in a thread and say the classic: ''wait until game X comes out!'', or ''wait until the price drop!''.

The consumer is done waiting. They have already decided which platform wins, which platform is going to live. The Wii. The Playstation 3 will be lucky to make the 6 years, let alone 10. Why? Read the OP: because the people, the consumers, don't want the PS3 that badly.

People who say this generation will last longer can only give one valid reason: the Wii. But the PS3/360 aren't being dragged along by the Wii, they are only dying faster because of it. Why? Because the Wii has changed what people want from their games, and the HD consoles aren't offering that.


Third parties are really stupid for letting the Wii go. By the time they DO shift to the Wii en masse it will already be too late, and the Nintendo first-party will have utter dominance over Wii software sales. Nintendo gave those guys more than enough time.


Tear this post apart. I'm not saying only good things about PS3, so that's what you should try, right. And please, by all means, use lame arguments. They'll just prove my point because they tell me you can't come up with any better reason why I'm wrong.
Hit me. Call me a fanboy and an idiot.

BTW, I feel sorry for the OP to get such a bomb of nerd rage. I'm sorry if this makes it worse.


     Its not rhetoric and its not a question of if X game comes out.  because X game is coming out.  Actually XIII game and V XIII game and GT5 game and T game and U game and more K games and GoW game and HR game.  And its all about the games.

     Your statement that the people that were going to buy FFXIIII, FF Versus XIII, and GT5 in Japan already have a PS3 is bogus because only 3 million PS3s have sold while the cap on the number of copies of the FF games that could potentially sell in Japan is much higher than that especially for the first FF in a gen.  Look at the sales for X 3 million and VII 4 million.  FFXIII and Versus XIII will sell at least as well as either of these and since its been so long since the last FF game they could conceivably sell 5 million copies in Japan which would mean they would move at least one million more PS3s because the only console that you can play these games on in Japan is the PS3 and the only console you can play these two games on worldwide with all the bells and whistles is the PS3 guaranteeing greater success for the PS3 version of FFXIII and V XIII (which is still a PS3 exclusive) in the West as well.  Furthermore games like Yakuza 3 and White Knight Chronicles move PS3 units.  In fact those games moved enough PS3 units to put the PS3 on top of the Wii for 3 months in a row of this year already. And if Yakuza and WKC move PS3s in Japan, then Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy will move many more. 

 

Also the Wii hasn't changed what people want from their games.  Its true that the Wii has four games that have had exceptional sales, but many of the games on the console that are superior to those games have failed to pass 1 million copies in sales.  And games like Fallout 3, GTA IV, Gears, MGS4, and Halo continue to sell millions of copies on other consoles and far more than do similar types of games on the Wii.  About all the Wii has managed to do is create a very isolationist group of gamers that know nothing about games.  Its great if all you want to play in the future are clones of Wii Sports and Wii Play, but not so much if you want more out of your games than that.

 

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Naraku_Diabolos on 24 May 2009
Leonidus said:
coolestguyever said:
Reasons it will last 10 years:

1. Sony has the best future exclusives. Nintendo and Microsoft have already released all their big series (Mario, Zelda, Halo, etc) but as for PS3...Gran Turismo, God of War, and Final Fantasy (still exclusive in Japan) haven't even come out yet.

2. 360 has already hit the $200 price point and that didn't kill the PS3. Wii has been $250 all along and that didn't kill the PS3. And Sony still hasn't dropped below $400 yet. Sometime in the future the PS3 will drop to $300 then eventually to $200 when they can afford to lower the price. That will help increase the install base dramatically.

3. Blu-ray. Do I need to say more than those 2 words? Once PS3 is down to $300 that will be a great deal; you get an high quality game system and a high quality Blu-ray player for one reasonable price.

4. Future Proof: Yeah...this arguement again. PS3 constantly updates their system via firmware updates. Remember when there was no in game XMB, no trophies? Yeah firmware updates changed that. If anything ever needs changed Sony can easily release another firmware update to fix it.

This here beats out all those mountains of text in the OP

This really bothers me...why does the PS3 and the Xbox 360 have things for you to show off to your friends, like awards? I know it's bragging rights and all, but it's like a nerd showing off his many characters on World of Warcraft; this similarity means that it makes you look like you have no life. Don't take offense to it, but that's what it sounds like to me...