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now if only SE would announce an early SO4 PS3 announcement...



 

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forevercloud3000 said:
I do not think userbase should ever be counted in this particular debate. Reason being...

If the game was really worth getting, the person would have bought the system. I mean, that is what should decide a console purchase right? Games that you want being on said system. None of the RPGs on 360 are worth buying that system, at least in the Japanese's eyes. That is why they barely bought it. Some, but not many. PS3 on the other hand many did, or will think certain games are worth the purchase in JAP so they buy those.

A little more time and research is needed to make it official but WKC has to no surprise done better then every RPG released on the 360 as of yet. it is the first TRUE JRPG on the PS3 (Not including ARPGs, SRPGs, and WRPGs, like Folklore, Oblivion,Disgaea 3, and VC) And it truly is not that big of budget. I believe Lost Odyssey was probably way bigger in production value.

This pretty much rectifies the implication that companies like SE made a good decision by going multiplat becuase they would not make any money by staying exclusive to PS3. WKC proves(from what seems to be a really good selling game in Japan) that the PS3 really IS the way to go for JRPGs.

So you're saying that having to pay $300/400 in addition to the $60 is not an obstacle for consumers?  If they want it they will just shell out $360 right?  Some people did but that's a huge barrier that takes several must have games for most people to break.

 



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forevercloud3000 said:
I do not think userbase should ever be counted in this particular debate. Reason being...

If the game was really worth getting, the person would have bought the system. I mean, that is what should decide a console purchase right? Games that you want being on said system. None of the RPGs on 360 are worth buying that system, at least in the Japanese's eyes. That is why they barely bought it. Some, but not many. PS3 on the other hand many did, or will think certain games are worth the purchase in JAP so they buy those.

A little more time and research is needed to make it official but WKC has to no surprise done better then every RPG released on the 360 as of yet. it is the first TRUE JRPG on the PS3 (Not including ARPGs, SRPGs, and WRPGs, like Folklore, Oblivion,Disgaea 3, and VC) And it truly is not that big of budget. I believe Lost Odyssey was probably way bigger in production value.

This pretty much rectifies the implication that companies like SE made a good decision by going multiplat becuase they would not make any money by staying exclusive to PS3. WKC proves(from what seems to be a really good selling game in Japan) that the PS3 really IS the way to go for JRPGs.

Okay, so we shouldn't consider userbase when talking about American sales? I mean, I've always thought the PS3 pushed a respectable amount of software in NA considering how firmly entrenched it is in third place. But if you think that the size of the userbase doesn't matter, then maybe you also think the people blazinhead was talking about are right and SoNy iS DyInG iN AmEricA!!!!!111

Even though WKC has sold pretty well in Japan, Square-Enix hasn't gone multiplatform because of Japanese sales; they've gone multiplatform because of worldwide sales. If you'll notice, FFXIII isn't even coming out on the 360 in Japan. I realize you're still hurt over Square-Enix's dire treachery, but why don't we wait until we have a chance to see how well both systems can move JRPGs outside of Japan?

Lastly, you're clearly talking through your hat about the budgets of WKC and Lost Odyssey. You really have no idea. "I believe" is no kind of an argument.



Gatorgamer88 said:
i think that everstar might be a fanboy

you are right,  he is a die hard 360 support force!!

 



johnsobas said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I do not think userbase should ever be counted in this particular debate. Reason being...

If the game was really worth getting, the person would have bought the system. I mean, that is what should decide a console purchase right? Games that you want being on said system. None of the RPGs on 360 are worth buying that system, at least in the Japanese's eyes. That is why they barely bought it. Some, but not many. PS3 on the other hand many did, or will think certain games are worth the purchase in JAP so they buy those.

A little more time and research is needed to make it official but WKC has to no surprise done better then every RPG released on the 360 as of yet. it is the first TRUE JRPG on the PS3 (Not including ARPGs, SRPGs, and WRPGs, like Folklore, Oblivion,Disgaea 3, and VC) And it truly is not that big of budget. I believe Lost Odyssey was probably way bigger in production value.

This pretty much rectifies the implication that companies like SE made a good decision by going multiplat becuase they would not make any money by staying exclusive to PS3. WKC proves(from what seems to be a really good selling game in Japan) that the PS3 really IS the way to go for JRPGs.

So you're saying that having to pay $300/400 in addition to the $60 is not an obstacle for consumers?  If they want it they will just shell out $360 right?  Some people did but that's a huge barrier that takes several must have games for most people to break.

 

 

@badgegnome and johnsobas

Ok what you guys are forgetting is that there is no discernable proof that all RPG lovers of old have already chosen a system from the Next gen selection. There could still very well be another 5million or so RPG lovers who simply have not chosen a side. I say this becuase majority of JRPGs of this gen have released on 360 and have yet to pass the 1million bench mark in worldwide sales. That means there are not even a WW total of RPG lovers on that system. I know RPGs dont sell as well as certain other genres such as FPS and Adventure games. Yet RPGs of last gen could still make a hefty amount. FF sales get 5mill minimum, that means there are indeed RPG fans out there, they simply are not interested in these new RPGs. Is it becuase they strictly worship FF only?NO! It is becuase they generally are not up to the same level of quality as the FF series.

What does this have to do with the sales of JRPGs?

THis means that there are not 1million JRPG lovers who own a 360. THey are either owners of a PS3, Wii, or still holding out for which one they want with their PS2.

If you are a consumer like me, you would have chosen the PS3 as JRPG system of choice, it was the only thing that made sense. PS2 had all the best JRPGs, so you would assume the PS3 would have them as well(whether that has held true or not to be determined).

The verdict is still out on this one so far. We can not come to a fully factual conclusion until the PS3 gets classic JRPGs like the 360 has(that are not MP late ports, better judged with exclusives). LO,BD, ad ToV have all debuted on 360 exclusively, and have yet to pass 700k(last I checked, could be mistaken) worldwide. WKC appears to be selling at a much more alarming rate, looking to definitely out shine it's 360 counterparts. Waiting on WKC US release for further analysis...



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:
johnsobas said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I do not think userbase should ever be counted in this particular debate. Reason being...

If the game was really worth getting, the person would have bought the system. I mean, that is what should decide a console purchase right? Games that you want being on said system. None of the RPGs on 360 are worth buying that system, at least in the Japanese's eyes. That is why they barely bought it. Some, but not many. PS3 on the other hand many did, or will think certain games are worth the purchase in JAP so they buy those.

A little more time and research is needed to make it official but WKC has to no surprise done better then every RPG released on the 360 as of yet. it is the first TRUE JRPG on the PS3 (Not including ARPGs, SRPGs, and WRPGs, like Folklore, Oblivion,Disgaea 3, and VC) And it truly is not that big of budget. I believe Lost Odyssey was probably way bigger in production value.

This pretty much rectifies the implication that companies like SE made a good decision by going multiplat becuase they would not make any money by staying exclusive to PS3. WKC proves(from what seems to be a really good selling game in Japan) that the PS3 really IS the way to go for JRPGs.

So you're saying that having to pay $300/400 in addition to the $60 is not an obstacle for consumers?  If they want it they will just shell out $360 right?  Some people did but that's a huge barrier that takes several must have games for most people to break.

 

 

@badgegnome and johnsobas

Ok what you guys are forgetting is that there is no discernable proof that all RPG lovers of old have already chosen a system from the Next gen selection. There could still very well be another 5million or so RPG lovers who simply have not chosen a side. I say this becuase majority of JRPGs of this gen have released on 360 and have yet to pass the 1million bench mark in worldwide sales. That means there are not even a WW total of RPG lovers on that system. I know RPGs dont sell as well as certain other genres such as FPS and Adventure games. Yet RPGs of last gen could still make a hefty amount. FF sales get 5mill minimum, that means there are indeed RPG fans out there, they simply are not interested in these new RPGs. Is it becuase they strictly worship FF only?NO! It is becuase they generally are not up to the same level of quality as the FF series.

What does this have to do with the sales of JRPGs?

THis means that there are not 1million JRPG lovers who own a 360. THey are either owners of a PS3, Wii, or still holding out for which one they want with their PS2.

If you are a consumer like me, you would have chosen the PS3 as JRPG system of choice, it was the only thing that made sense. PS2 had all the best JRPGs, so you would assume the PS3 would have them as well(whether that has held true or not to be determined).

The verdict is still out on this one so far. We can not come to a fully factual conclusion until the PS3 gets classic JRPGs like the 360 has(that are not MP late ports, better judged with exclusives). LO,BD, ad ToV have all debuted on 360 exclusively, and have yet to pass 700k(last I checked, could be mistaken) worldwide. WKC appears to be selling at a much more alarming rate, looking to definitely out shine it's 360 counterparts. Waiting on WKC US release for further analysis...

You seem to be forgetting that, unless they have "Final Fantasy," "Dragon Quest," or "Kingdom Hearts" in the title, JRPGs typically don't pass the million mark worldwide on any system. How many such JRPGs broke a million on the PS2? To my knowledge, only Star Ocean did.



i ain't no 360 fanboy but am sick of this huge praisel of wkc in japan right now. sure it did good opening week, but haven't we seen over and over again in japan that so many games just sell first week then they see a 80% drop off or something huge.

this is for hd games i am talking about. so i ain't gonna say ps3/rpg savior in japan just yet



irstupid said:
i ain't no 360 fanboy but am sick of this huge praisel of wkc in japan right now. sure it did good opening week, but haven't we seen over and over again in japan that so many games just sell first week then they see a 80% drop off or something huge.

this is for hd games i am talking about. so i ain't gonna say ps3/rpg savior in japan just yet

 

 bet the game wont see an 80% drop off?



well that was a bit exagerated, but how many games so far have we seen on hd consoles see a big drop after first week. Metal gear did i remember



wait until official data is released please.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut