Maybe don't imply anyone who isn't a hardcore red rose Bernie supporter hates Bernie more than Trump.

Done with this thread.

I'll say one more thing: I love how people here were quick to embrace a far-right bigot with a *ton* of verifiable history only because he showed sudden support for Bernie and has strong anti-establishment feelings.

And no, it's not Joe Rogan.

I said what I said plainly, I didn't imply anything. You're the one interpreting it wrong. I didn't say just "anyone" I said corporate Dems. That doesn't include regular degular ass Dems such as yourself. If you felt some type of conviction with my statement, that prolly says something about you and it'd be wise to sort that shit out before you come at someone like that. Or if you're unsure of what I meant maybe a follow-up question for clarification would've done you good.

Well, this mirrors my fear, that the conservative democrats, the democratic leaning media and Hillary Clinton will keep denouncing Sanders after the primaries - as they currently do - instead of turning to attacks against Trump.

Do you talk about Tucker Carlson? Who is embracing him?

And what do you make about the media propping up quickly ultra-far-right John Bolton, after the possibility arised he might have dirt on Trump (then in reality he only wants to sell his book).

I think this is a pretty good analysis of the whole Joe Rogan situation: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/1/27/21081876/joe-rogan-bernie-sanders-henry-kissinger

EDIT: I probably should state where I stand. Interestingly enough, I am mostly a consequentialist. But there are red lines for me. But they are differently than the one described in the article. I am very deeply against killing. And that actually makes war and support for war a non-excusable fault for me, so I think Kissinger and Powell are much much worse than Joe Rogan, but not only from a consequentialist view, but also from a deontologist view. But that makes my rigid rules different than what was laid out in the article.

It's fine for liberals to be anti immigration, and to be against providing citizenship to those who made it illegally to the US, the same goes for birth tourism which has become a joke. The way issues are handled now: Trump is anti-immigration = having a similar opinion makes you a person with questionable views. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren goes on national TV expressing her intent to allow students from overseas who over stay their VISAS and become citizens and no eye brows are raised, because it's the opposite of what Trumps believes in so that somehow makes it ok. 

Someone cares to explain why Tucker is considered a far right bigot?

Quick reminders that both Obama, Bush, Hillary were all against gay marriage because it was the position that would net you the the most votes, until it wasn't. How the Rogan endorsement is generating so much discussion is beyond me. The point of running a presidential campaign is to convince most of the voters from both sides of the aisle why you would be a good president, Rogan is convinced = mission accomplished. I guess Bernie should learn from Hillary and preach that most of those who support Trump are deplorables, that would please the twitter crowd. 

Few bits from the articles that make my eyes roll:

"Rogan has made his show a safe space for anti-Muslim bigotry as well. Islamophobia, like transphobia, has a history of being more tolerated in mainstream media outlets than other forms of bigotry, and the backlash against Rogan reflects frustration over that double standard as well."

So is Christianophobia but no one cares about that. Being Islamophobic, Christianophobic & religionphobic is not only reasonable, but necessary. After all, those religions have contributed heavily to the oppression of LGBT community throughout history & every where in the world. You should never be muslim-phobic, christian-phobic though, there is a big difference between the two.

Sick of the left taking the side of a religion that are composed of set of abhorrent believes just because there is a minority in the US that hold those value dearly. The left should stand for progressive values, not with a religion that goes completely against them just to please minorities. The mainstream believes among the majority of Muslims are far more dangerous than whatever Jo Ro ever said. 

The author seems to have accepted the fact that Rogan is a bigot and it discusses where to go from there, which is a shame, but it's Vox so my expectations were low to begin with.  

Fear is a strong feeling, and as all strong feelings it turns off rational thinking. Therefore fear is very bad for basing political decisions on. But we can't ignore the fears either, because strong feelings while detrimental to rational thinking are still real and existant. We should therefore reduce the fears and reintroduce thinking rational about the issues. Most christians and most muslims are fine, and I say that as an atheist. Some of the messages in the religious texts are harmful, but over the centuries people got used to ignoring stuff in their religious texts or reinterpret it. Still, there are a few christian fundamentalists and islamic fundamentalists, that are damaging or endagering society (Westboro Baptist Church for instance). We shouldn't ignore these real dangers, but also shouldn't vilify everyone in these religious groups.

I want also add, that as fear is a strong emotion, it is despicable to use said fear for political gain. Fearmongering is used among the left and the right, and in both cases it is hurtful for all.

Even though we are way less likely to be religious or affiliated with an organized religion than non-queer people, a majority of the queer community are either religious or spiritual (believe in a creator/creators.) I myself being religious as well.

Religious thought changes over time to reflect the society in which their followers live. What was once unacceptable in a religious doctrine/teaching could become acceptable and vice versa when society changes and the followers interpret it differently from before. For Catholicism, that's what the Reformation essentially was.

On the whole, religion isn't bad but when taken to the extreme and without humane rational thinking it can become incredibly dangerous.