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Random_Matt said:
PS4/Pro will not be left on the market when PS5 releases (New games anyway), that is one way to cripple your new HW. Secondly, the difference between the two CPU's will be fucking huge.

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Scisca said:

It's a common fact that Navi is being prepared with Sony for PS5. Navi GPUs will hit the market in the first half of 2019 - what's the use of having your own technology and keeping it on a shelf?

Navi is an AMD technology not a Sony one.
It's Graphics Core Next derived which predates the Playstation 4, let alone it's use in the Playstation 5.

Just like the Playstation 4 chip, Sony will have a list of some design goals for their semi-custom part, but that will be as far as it goes.

Lets hope AMD actually gets it's Draw Stream Rasterizer functioning in Navi... Oh and Primitive Shaders would actually be good as well AMD.



Pemalite said:
Scisca said:

It's a common fact that Navi is being prepared with Sony for PS5. Navi GPUs will hit the market in the first half of 2019 - what's the use of having your own technology and keeping it on a shelf?

Navi is an AMD technology not a Sony one.
It's Graphics Core Next derived which predates the Playstation 4, let alone it's use in the Playstation 5.

Just like the Playstation 4 chip, Sony will have a list of some design goals for their semi-custom part, but that will be as far as it goes.

Lets hope AMD actually gets it's Draw Stream Rasterizer functioning in Navi... Oh and Primitive Shaders would actually be good as well AMD.

I think the confusion is coming from the earlier report that AMD's next GPU design as keeping the next Playstation in mind.



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Solid-Stark said:
Pemalite said:

Navi is an AMD technology not a Sony one.
It's Graphics Core Next derived which predates the Playstation 4, let alone it's use in the Playstation 5.

Just like the Playstation 4 chip, Sony will have a list of some design goals for their semi-custom part, but that will be as far as it goes.

Lets hope AMD actually gets it's Draw Stream Rasterizer functioning in Navi... Oh and Primitive Shaders would actually be good as well AMD.

I think the confusion is coming from the earlier report that AMD's next GPU design as keeping the next Playstation in mind.

If Sony wants a large, slow, hot, inefficient, expensive, Graphics Core Next derived GPU... Well. That would be saddening.



Random_Matt said:
PS4/Pro will not be left on the market when PS5 releases (New games anyway), that is one way to cripple your new HW. Secondly, the difference between the two CPU's will be fucking huge.

With PS and MS both seeming to want to keep online games at the same frame rate for parity, if PS5 can do solid 60fps, it's hard to see them holding online multiplayer back to 30fps for third party games that cross gens. Unless PS4 players can't play with PS5 players, and I have a hard time believing that. It would make sense in terms of profits, because selling a $199 PS4 is going to keep hardware and software sales quite strong. Depends a lot on how much future games have to suffer on PS4's, or on PS5's to accommodate PS4.

Keeping PS4 Pro may not even be enough on 7nm to attain a solid 60fps, so focusing future games on PS5 makes sense. Except for the fact that your asking people to shell out another $399-$499 again. With MS seemingly talking about a much cheaper hardware based streaming box, to go along with a hardcore 4k/60 home console, I wouldn't put it passed PS to counter with a Pro/XB1X level PS5 base console using Ryzen to achieve 60fps for $299, while also having a (checkerboard) 4k/60 box for $399-$499.



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vivster said:
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Now I'm going to have to double my prayers. 

Already tripled mine.

I may be remembering wrong, but were you the one that thought the PS5 wasn't coming until 2021, at the earliest?



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GoOnKid said:

So, as we all know the gaming landscape is evolving nowadays. Even the article mentions the rising global smartphone games market and the shifting habits of consumer. These are important issues to deal with when you face the challenge to build a new gaming device that is supposed to be appealing for several years when you want to reach the masses. Of course Sony can always count on the brand value of Playstation but they still need to go with the times, and I believe the hardware race has come to a point of cool-down. The big technical achievements have mostly been accomplished already. So my best guess is that they will try to emulate Nintendo and do a hybrid.

Your best guess is just about as good as Germany was at the World Cup 2018.

But but but...

First: Even Nintendo themselves realized who they're dealing with and kept the Switch hidden almost until the very last second because they feared others might copy the concept.

Second: Özil should sleep more at night times so he wouldn't have to sleep during games. That alone should have made a significant bump on the performance.



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thismeintiel said:
vivster said:

Already tripled mine.

I may be remembering wrong, but were you the one that thought the PS5 wasn't coming until 2021, at the earliest?

No, I'm usually the one who either hopes that a successor will come every year or never.



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Next gen HW, so nothing less than Zen 2 for the CPU cores, first Zen 2 CPUs will come in 2019 if AMD won't delay them further, but APU implementations suitable for consoles could come later. And as far as we know Sony hasn't even started shipping definitive dev kits, PS5 won't come earlier than 2020. But if Sony plans to use Zen 3 instead, it won't be earlier than 2021.
GPU architecture OTOH won't be a problem Navi is already light years ahead of PS4 base model GPU cores, so even a low-mid range 2020 Navi will grant the necessary performance leap for a new gen console, and more than enough graphics computing power for 1440p VR or even better, and full 4k single screen for the base model and 8k for the Pro.



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GoOnKid said:

But but but...

First: Even Nintendo themselves realized who they're dealing with and kept the Switch hidden almost until the very last second because they feared others might copy the concept.

Second: Özil should sleep more at night times so he wouldn't have to sleep during games. That alone should have made a significant bump on the performance.

Switch isn't something that can be copied on a whim and Nintendo knew that. I think Nintendo kept it close to their chest because that ensured that competitors couldn't come up with a coherent smear campaign to deride Switch while at the same time it would be much easier to maintain buzz from reveal to launch.

As for Sony turning the PS5 into a hybrid instead of going with a stationary home console, that's not going to happen. Sony is an America-first console manufacturer, so Xbox remains a serious threat despite a large gap in worldwide sales. The PS4 is only a few millions ahead of the Xbox One in the USA, the most important market. A hybrid PS5 couldn't keep up with the next iteration of Xbox and Sony certainly won't cede the AAA third party market to Microsoft. Sony isn't in a position with the PS4 that allows them to take the US market for granted.

If Sony decides to take on Switch, it will be a solution separate from the PS5, such as a portable PS4 hardware that can play PS4 ports natively and streams PS5 software from servers. Even that is a longshot though, because a separate device makes things more complicated for Sony and at its core it already can't compete with the convenience of Switch, let alone its game library. It's more likely that Sony's reaction to Switch will be the same as to the Japanese market as a whole, so basically leave it as it is while shifting their focus to greener pastures for themselves.



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