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Errorist76 on 26 August 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.

I’m from Germany. Here we get 0% finance deals in electronic stores. I assumed you get similar offers in the US considering your deals are usually much better than ours in Europe.



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DonFerrari on 26 August 2018
Errorist76 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.

I’m from Germany. Here we get 0% finance deals in electronic stores. I assumed you get similar offers in the US considering your deals are usually much better than ours in Europe.

I would say USA isn't common to finance things except cars and houses. Most would use credit card and pay for the interest there.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 26 August 2018

Nah, people finance stuff here a lot. Hell, Walmart used to have a finance company contracted out to work in their stores. Credit cards are for the middle/upper class. But people with less money or small amounts of disposable income per paycheck will finance stuff. You can find businesses doing it everywhere.



DonFerrari on 26 August 2018
LudicrousSpeed said:
Nah, people finance stuff here a lot. Hell, Walmart used to have a finance company contracted out to work in their stores. Credit cards are for the middle/upper class. But people with less money or small amounts of disposable income per paycheck will finance stuff. You can find businesses doing it everywhere.

Good to know, every time I gone there for travel never seen any financing placard or similar in the places I gone, but it surely could be a preconcept.

Still, considering how much the mobile services with this type of structure sell and people seem to not care that they are paying more, MS marketing and operating good with this idea can give then a very good next gen boost (even more with the backward compatibility, because with "0" games as usual on new gen, it would be harder to offer the "rent" service).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

d21lewis on 27 August 2018

Rumor confirmed: https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/27/xbox-all-access-is-real-and-a-great-deal/

 

*Edit*

Damn, I'm late! I need to visit more often.



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d21lewis on 27 August 2018
PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Oh sure. 

Sony will never charge for online.

Indie games don’t matter.

Downloadable games don’t count. 

Rumble is not important.

Power is extremely important, until Scorpio, now it’s irrelevant. 

Etc etc. You’re talking about fans flip flopping to suit their favorite toy maker, which happens all the time on every site, but doesn’t have anything to do with what I said or what I was replying to.

Sure it does.

Why should I take MS fans on this site, who constantly deflect and defend, any more serious than you take Sony fans on this site, who constantly downplay?

All sides have down players. But no other fan base on this site, is as nonchalant as MS fans, when it comes to gaming criticisms. 

BTW, a lot of people expected Sony to charge for online.

I don't remember people discounting indie/ downloadable games. Games like Flower & Limbo were constantly cited in list wars back in PS360 days. 

There was this site that's apparently shut down called "Facts vs Fanboys" that was always quoted on vgchartz. Even well into this generation. It pretty much said

 

Only retail games with a metacritic score of _______ mattered. I think it was 80% because great games like Lost Odyssey didn't make the cut.

Kinect and Mobe games didn't count as games until the creators added them at the very end of the generation. Digital games never counted. The narrative was that Xbox didn't have any exclusive games for years. It didn't matter if (for examplee) it had Witcher 2 and PS3 didn't. The rules were laid out. 

 

I didn't agree with the site and, as an owner of both consoles last gen, I always had a reason to fire them both up and play for hours and hours on end. A lot of people here did, though. It was a venomous time and debates were really heated. In a way, I'm a little glad there wasn't a real "war" this generation.



Pemalite on 27 August 2018

I am actually surprised that this hasn't happened sooner actually.



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DonFerrari on 27 August 2018

Time to change the title. And see how much it will impact X1 sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

d21lewis on 27 August 2018
twintail said:
Pemalite said:
I am actually surprised that this hasn't happened sooner actually.

I think 360 got this during its lifetime

360 had something similar but by the time you paid it off, I think it cost way more than just buying a console. Some guys did the math back then. Plus you had to make a down payment of like $100.

 

This is, I'm, a better deal. Mainly because I think Game Pass is a great deal. You can walk in with nothing and walk out with a console. Subscribe to game pass and XBL and after a certain amount of time (two years?) the hardware is yours forever. Pretty much the same deal you get from a cell phone provider, cable company, or Internet provider.



d21lewis on 27 August 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Soonerman said:
I get Live and Pass free just by doing Microsoft points. This is not a deal at all.

I do the MS points as well, you have to buy a lot of stuff and do many web searches cover Gamepass and Gold.

You're out of touch with the average consumer.

I'm not the most frugal person but I like to think I'm pretty well informed . I've got thousands of Microsoft points from Bing but I've never paid less than full retail for Xbox Live and I didn't even know about the Game Pass option.

 

People in this thread are might be overestimating the consumer.