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Errorist76 said:
chakkra said:

It will be interesting to see how much this affects the Xbox family sales. 

I think it will help it to keep sales up YoY, not only this year but next year as well.

How? If anything it will slow down sales and up the rents. Not that it matters when we don’t get any sales numbers anyway.

For the life of me I do not understand your line of thought.



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Errorist76 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You must not be doing the math.

$22-$35 a month is not a lot of money for the average person. We're talking about getting the console and access to many games (day one 1st party games included), that's a pretty good deal.

Also, the subscription services being lumped in means they're making a profit on the subscription services. That covers any losses on the hardware.

 

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.



LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Errorist76 said:

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

For real? You save money eh? $20 and $60 respectively on the X and S? I must have misread the article linked in the op. I'd STILL just pay up front to be done with it, have ownership, and all the flexibility that comes with it And I have zero use for a service like Gamepass. But for the right customer, that sounds pretty good.



Chinese food for breakfast

 

I get Live and Pass free just by doing Microsoft points. This is not a deal at all.



COKTOE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

For real? You save money eh? $20 and $60 respectively on the X and S? I must have misread the article linked in the op. I'd STILL just pay up front to be done with it, have ownership, and all the flexibility that comes with it And I have zero use for a service like Gamepass. But for the right customer, that sounds pretty good.

Well if you're buying a console and want instant access to many notable games, this bundle does just that.

Also, its not a coincidence they attempt this near the holiday season. Many Christmas shoppers would be open to a deal like this, but it needs to be available at more retailers.



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Soonerman said:
I get Live and Pass free just by doing Microsoft points. This is not a deal at all.

I do the MS points as well, you have to buy a lot of stuff and do many web searches cover Gamepass and Gold.

You're out of touch with the average consumer.



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LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Errorist76 said:

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.



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Mr Puggsly said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.

I’m from Germany. Here we get 0% finance deals in electronic stores. I assumed you get similar offers in the US considering your deals are usually much better than ours in Europe.



Errorist76 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.

I’m from Germany. Here we get 0% finance deals in electronic stores. I assumed you get similar offers in the US considering your deals are usually much better than ours in Europe.

I would say USA isn't common to finance things except cars and houses. Most would use credit card and pay for the interest there.



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Nah, people finance stuff here a lot. Hell, Walmart used to have a finance company contracted out to work in their stores. Credit cards are for the middle/upper class. But people with less money or small amounts of disposable income per paycheck will finance stuff. You can find businesses doing it everywhere.