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PAOerfulone on 05 May 2017

Final Fantasy
Metroid
and Mega Man should all get there sooner than later.



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Qwark on 05 May 2017

A Souls game
Diablo
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StarOcean on 05 May 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
StarOcean said:

Well theyre both equally important. DQ made the genre more accessible than RPGs before it and did things that were important in the development of future RPGs such as giving depth to characters on your team, the way battle HUDs look, etc. While FF popularized the genre and added a party system, etc. 

Yeah but, even then they're doing individual games rather than whole series. So which DQ/FF should they choose? IIRC the VGC article on it said FF7 was one of the finalists, so that getting in there sooner or later is probably inevitable so that's something.

FF1, 6, or 7 have a good shot.

DQ is trickier. DQ1 revolutionized modern RPGs, DQ3 has a lot of stuff Im too lazy to mention, DQ4 had an odd but effective story telling mechanic... as did 5, but 5 also was the first video game to let you pick your wife/have kids, DQ7 was most popular in Japan while DQ8 gained a sizable following in the west but also completely changed the series... in a few ways Im too lazy to mention. In short it'll be close between DQ1, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 imo. I think 1, 5, and 8 have the best chances though



Azzanation on 05 May 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
StarOcean said:

FF1, 6, or 7 have a good shot.

DQ is trickier. DQ1 revolutionized modern RPGs, DQ3 has a lot of stuff Im too lazy to mention, DQ4 had an odd but effective story telling mechanic... as did 5, but 5 also was the first video game to let you pick your wife/have kids, DQ7 was most popular in Japan while DQ8 gained a sizable following in the west but also completely changed the series... in a few ways Im too lazy to mention. In short it'll be close between DQ1, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 imo. I think 1, 5, and 8 have the best chances though

TBH I think DQ will actually have a hard time getting in, simply because of how small it still is outside of Japan.

From their website:
Icon-status: the game is widely recognized and remembered.
Geographical reach: the game meets the above criteria across international boundaries.

The game actually has to be popular across the world rather than just influential to the genre/industry which I think will seriously harm DQs chances. Will probably be an issue for the earlier FF games too, especially the ones that never even released outside Japan until much later.

Theres probably a reason why FF and DQ didnt make the list and that could be due to Pokemon Red/Green which falls under the same RPG genre. 



Fei-Hung on 05 May 2017

Shenmue with QTE's, creating a living world, the level of interactivity.

Minecraft

Devil may cry

GT3 A-spec

Mario 64

Uncharted 2

Gears of War

Tetris



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vivster on 05 May 2017
StarOcean said:
vivster said:

Maybe they're not sure which one to choose for the HOF.

Well theyre both equally important. DQ made the genre more accessible than RPGs before it and did things that were important in the development of future RPGs such as giving depth to characters on your team, the way battle HUDs look, etc. While FF popularized the genre and added a party system, etc. 

I mean which of each series. There is a lot of choice.



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SegataSanshiro on 05 May 2017
StarOcean said:
Reasons why Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy have yet to be added baffles me

Ys and Dragon Slayer deserve it more seeing how Falcom created the very first Japanese role playing games ever. They were ARPGs but still the first. Both series are still around and still popular.



SegataSanshiro on 05 May 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Ys and Dragon Slayer deserve it more seeing how Falcom created the very first Japanese role playing games ever. They were ARPGs but still the first.

Literally never even heard of that one more. And no, I really don't think games people haven't heard of deserve a place in a hall of fame...

It's still a popular series. It's a famous series. Your lack of knowlege to it is irrelevant. You are not people. A good many people over a period of 33 years have. It has so many spinoff it makes the head spin from Faxanadu on NES to the Xanadu series (a new one coming west in Tokyo Xanandu on PS4 plus Xanandu Next recently released on steam in the west) to the Trails in the series. Trails in the Sky to Trails of Cold Steel. Dragon Slayer series has had immense success in Japan and always had decent success in the west. Falcom has been around forever. Much longer than Enix or Square. They helped Pioneer the market for RPGs in Japan. Dragon Quest came after the DS series and it is true it popularized turn based RPGs in Japanese games and from that point most were turn based. Falcom got many Japanese devs to adopt the bump system in Ys. Dragon Slayer was open world in the same vien as Ultima. Thing is Ultima the very first western RPG and first RPG ever made in video games is turn based. So if you think turn based equates to Japan and Action to the west. Other way around.



SegataSanshiro on 05 May 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
SegataSanshiro said:

It's still a popular series. It's a famous series. Your lack of knowlege to it is irrelevant. You are not people. A good many people over a period of 33 years have. It has so many spinoff it makes the head spin from Faxanadu on NES to the Xanadu series (a new one coming west in Tokyo Xanandu on PS4 plus Xanandu Next recently released on steam in the west) to the Trails in the series. Trails in the Sky to Trails of Cold Steel. Dragon Slayer series has had immense success in Japan and always had decent success in the west. Falcom has been around forever. Much longer than Enix or Square. They helped Pioneer the market for RPGs in Japan. Dragon Quest came after the DS series and it is true it popularized turn based RPGs in Japanese games and from that point most were turn based. Falcom got many Japanese devs to adopt the bump system in Ys. Dragon Slayer was open world in the same vien as Ultima. Thing is Ultima the very first western RPG and first RPG ever made in video games is turn based. So if you think turn based equates to Japan and Action to the west. Other way around.

If it was just me you'd have a point. But I highly doubt it's just me. The majority of those games they've got in the hall of fame so far most people would know about. Not even most gamers, just most people full stop. Games that don't have that awareness... even if they've been around a long time and have had a load of sequels/spinoffs... do they deserve a hall of fame place? I still think not, especially while there are plenty of hugely influential and well known games not included.

Again 33 years more entries than probably DQ and Final Fantasy combined and I am counting spinoffs of DQ and FF as well,no joke. Still releasing entries in the west. Xseed just announced Trails of Cold Steel 3. First 2 were on Vita and did well in the west and Japan. Series has sold millions upon millions. It's easily one of Japans most popular RPG series. It's larger than Final Fantasy in Japan. So again your lack of knowledge means nothing. Without the popularity of Falcoms games making RPGs immensely popular there,we have no Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. Falcom made RPGs popular there.

 

Series has been around longer than you been alive. I have seen teenagers who never heard of John Tavolta. You probaly never heard of Rudy vallee but Rudy is still a VERY important part of music history.



vivster on 05 May 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Ka-pi96 said:

If it was just me you'd have a point. But I highly doubt it's just me. The majority of those games they've got in the hall of fame so far most people would know about. Not even most gamers, just most people full stop. Games that don't have that awareness... even if they've been around a long time and have had a load of sequels/spinoffs... do they deserve a hall of fame place? I still think not, especially while there are plenty of hugely influential and well known games not included.

Again 33 years more entries than probably DQ and Final Fantasy combined and I am counting spinoffs of DQ and FF as well,no joke. Still releasing entries in the west. Xseed just announced Trails of Cold Steel 3. First 2 were on Vita and did well in the west and Japan. Series has sold millions upon millions. It's easily one of Japans most popular RPG series. It's larger than Final Fantasy in Japan. So again your lack of knowledge means nothing. Without the popularity of Falcoms games making RPGs immensely popular there,we have no Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. Falcom made RPGs popular there.

To cut this pointless discussion short:

Selection Criteria

The World Video Game Hall of Fame recognizes individual electronic games of all types—arcade, console, computer, handheld, and mobile—that meet the following criteria:

  • Icon-status: the game is widely recognized and remembered.
  • Longevity: the game is more than a passing fad and has enjoyed popularity over time.
  • Geographical reach: the game meets the above criteria across international boundaries.
  • Influence: The game has exerted significant influence on the design and development of other games, on other forms of entertainment, or on popular culture and society in general. A game may be inducted on the basis of this criterion without necessarily having met all of the first three.

Neither of the games you mentioned are widely recognized or have geographical reach. They might have had longevity and influence on the industry but they fall very short on the fame factor. What distinguishes all of the games in the HOF are that they fulfil all of the criteria.

It's not about being the first or the best or the most. It's about having a significant impact on the industry as a whole.



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