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Great hold for Switch, still a tad bit too early to tell long term but I expect it to keep beating the PS4 in Japan more or less until the end of one of their days.



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Nuvendil said:
Soundwave said:

Taking a 3DS game and ramping it up in resolution I doubt is all that expensive. The Wii U had a HD MH up-port for its launch. 

In general I think the Japanese dev community fucked up by not taking the Switch seriously. They're going to miss a big window now where they could have cashed in with a lack of games to compete against. They're all probably scrambling now to get more content for the system, but it's probably going to take them 6-12 months to get their shit together. 

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate was a quickly remastered Wii game, not an upscaled 3DS game.  That's a massive difference in starting quality.  Bringing Monster Hunter XX over with the same level of detail would have been far more work and take more time.  Also, would not be surprised if the Switch's Monster Hunter is currently planned to be Monster Hunter 5.  XX is an inbetween game, not the full blown next big entry.  It could be it was planned from the start as a game to capitalize on the 3DS's twilight year while saving the bigger release for the Switch.

Nope. You forget Wii was an SD console. That means 480p, which is 852x480. That are 409K pixels. 3DS has 400x240(x2 for stereoscopic view, which has to be rendered) + 320x240 for the touchscreen. As the main rendering in Monster Hunter is on the stereoscopic screen (touchscreen has 2D-elements), 3D-view has rendered for 192K pixels. So 3DS is only at around half the render-resolution. 1080p (which was Monster Hunter 3G running at) on the other hand has 1920x1080=2M pixels. The jump to HD is much more bigger than the minor change between Wii and 3DS.

Also on the memory side it is not looking good. Wii only had 88MB (is that right, Wikipedia says that, but it seems very low), 3DS had 128 MB. So Wii couldn't store bigger textures and models than 3DS.

So no, there was no massive difference in starting quality. Also, as far as I know, Capcom really ported the 3DS-version, as the Wii-version had lesser content. They would have to add this first. 3G on 3DS and WiiU could share data and had similar online, while the Wii-version had clearly different content.

And really, there was no big graphic difference between WiiU and 3DS (besides the resolution obviously). There was another detail or element here and there, but nothing serious.



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Lawlight said:
tbone51 said:

This logic is wrong on many levels. First off its the wiiu successor before anything (even if you count it as a HH).

2nd it doesnt need to outsell wiiu/3ds together. People need to get this out of their heads seriously. There is more to it than this

 

Edit: god damn i just fell into a bottomless pit xD

Wrong, it is the 3DS successor - Nintendo won't be releasing another handheld.

It's combining Nintendo's handheld and console - why would it not need to sell as much as the 3DS + WiiU?

I know you're baiting, but I bite. It doesn't matter as which successor the selling company places a device, it matters what people make of it. Seemingly looking at the charts the japanese take the Switch as Vita-successor. 3DS isn't hurt so far by Switch. So now we rephrase your statement: "Was there any doubt that the Vita successor would outsell the PS4?" Yes, there was doubt.



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Mnementh said:
Nuvendil said:

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate was a quickly remastered Wii game, not an upscaled 3DS game.  That's a massive difference in starting quality.  Bringing Monster Hunter XX over with the same level of detail would have been far more work and take more time.  Also, would not be surprised if the Switch's Monster Hunter is currently planned to be Monster Hunter 5.  XX is an inbetween game, not the full blown next big entry.  It could be it was planned from the start as a game to capitalize on the 3DS's twilight year while saving the bigger release for the Switch.

Nope. You forget Wii was an SD console. That means 480p, which is 852x480. That are 409K pixels. 3DS has 400x240(x2 for stereoscopic view, which has to be rendered) + 320x240 for the touchscreen. As the main rendering in Monster Hunter is on the stereoscopic screen (touchscreen has 2D-elements), 3D-view has rendered for 192K pixels. So 3DS is only at around half the render-resolution. 1080p (which was Monster Hunter 3G running at) on the other hand has 1920x1080=2M pixels. The jump to HD is much more bigger than the minor change between Wii and 3DS.

Also on the memory side it is not looking good. Wii only had 88MB (is that right, Wikipedia says that, but it seems very low), 3DS had 128 MB. So Wii couldn't store bigger textures and models than 3DS.

So no, there was no massive difference in starting quality. Also, as far as I know, Capcom really ported the 3DS-version, as the Wii-version had lesser content. They would have to add this first. 3G on 3DS and WiiU could share data and had similar online, while the Wii-version had clearly different content.

And really, there was no big graphic difference between WiiU and 3DS (besides the resolution obviously). There was another detail or element here and there, but nothing serious.

Actualy standard 480p is 640x480p and I believe Wii had 640x480p resolution.



Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD



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Jranation said:
Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD

Its the highest goal post. Lets say of switch does fantastic and does 80mil+, then he will say it needs to cleae 250mil because wii+ds did that because reasons lol



Mnementh said:
Lawlight said:

Wrong, it is the 3DS successor - Nintendo won't be releasing another handheld.

It's combining Nintendo's handheld and console - why would it not need to sell as much as the 3DS + WiiU?

I know you're baiting, but I bite. It doesn't matter as which successor the selling company places a device, it matters what people make of it. Seemingly looking at the charts the japanese take the Switch as Vita-successor. 3DS isn't hurt so far by Switch. So now we rephrase your statement: "Was there any doubt that the Vita successor would outsell the PS4?" Yes, there was doubt.

This is so flawed, it's not even funny. How did the ps2 and nds do after 3ds and ps3 launched?



Jranation said:
Not sure where or how he got that idea of how the Switch "needs" to do better than the 3DS + Wii U....... lol xD

Perhaps from all of those nintendo fans who keep predicting it will sell 100m+ and even stated before its launch that the reason is that it will combine 3ds + wiiu users? Or are we supposed to pretend they never made such claims?



naruball said:
Mnementh said:

I know you're baiting, but I bite. It doesn't matter as which successor the selling company places a device, it matters what people make of it. Seemingly looking at the charts the japanese take the Switch as Vita-successor. 3DS isn't hurt so far by Switch. So now we rephrase your statement: "Was there any doubt that the Vita successor would outsell the PS4?" Yes, there was doubt.

This is so flawed, it's not even funny. How did the ps2 and nds do after 3ds and ps3 launched?

I dont get what you mean by this, can you explain? (Not to startvan argument, im just curious)

 

Also there is some truth to what he said. It looks like switch is more successor to vita then anything. Looking at the current japanese support, it has some things going for it that suggest there will be plenty of softwarr in the future that will be ps4/switch multiplat insteaf of ps4vita.

 

We will get a better understanding of this in the near future of course. Vita sales are dropping but i dont think its mostly due to the switch as mang pointed out it was already going down. Minecraft was the reason it did hold on so surprisingly well this paat year and half.



Lawlight said:
tbone51 said:

Your reasoning for it being a 3ds successor is because wont be releasing another HH? That reasoning contradicts itself you know right because in that case you can say the same for home console. WiiU support is done, 3ds is still going. Its priced more as a HC, games are more of that of a HC. I mean so many things poiny to it more.

 

And mainly it doesnt have to sell both combine to be successful. And it doesnt need to sell combine because its HC/HH. Thats not how it works. Its obvious your making the hardest goalpost, youve done it multiple times in the past

And that's why I'm saying it needs to match the sum of the numbers as it is both a handheld and a home console.

I've always said that Nintendo's hardware will become more and more irrelevant as time goes by - this generation will further the trend with them selling even less hardware. That's why WiiU + 3DS is the goal. But it wouldn't have trouble outselling those, right? Since it is such a success/beast according to people on this site.

Let's see here..

- moving the goal posts of what decides success? CHECK

- attempting to undermine console with various excuses? CHECK

Yep, it's already looking like we have another Wii-like hit on our hands based off the deja vu I'm getting here haha..

Ironically, I think it'll be Sony and MS home consoles that'll become increasingly irrelevant as technology/ media moves more towards mobile screens and away from traditional TV setup.



 

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