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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Zelda: Breath of the Wild getting paid DLC (new hard mode/new dungeons/new story)

Acevil on 14 February 2017
irstupid said:
Acevil said:

I felt satisfied by Conquest, I do not want to replay it to see the middle path is my reasoning. It is like ask me to replay a game for just for neutral ending of said game. Given I might want Revelations later in the year, if I feel an real itch to play something tactical to bind me to the next main fire emblem game. 

Also I won't be getting the $20 Zelda expansion until after winter when i do know what it is. 

Conquest and Birthright are not exactly something you can compare to 'optional endings' or whatever.

I mean take any bethesda game, like KOTOR or something. People replay those games to play as good or as evil. But in the end the game is essentially the same.

Conquest and Birthright are completely different. They are not just the exact same battles with you on the opposin side.

Well we are talking about the middle path of the game aka third ending, I will most likely not be touching birthright at all, because I felt it focuses on the casual easy side of fire emblem that I felt in Awakening. 



 

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irstupid on 14 February 2017
Acevil said:
irstupid said:

Conquest and Birthright are not exactly something you can compare to 'optional endings' or whatever.

I mean take any bethesda game, like KOTOR or something. People replay those games to play as good or as evil. But in the end the game is essentially the same.

Conquest and Birthright are completely different. They are not just the exact same battles with you on the opposin side.

Well we are talking about the middle path of the game aka third ending, I will most likely not be touching birthright at all, because I felt it focuses on the casual easy side of fire emblem that I felt in Awakening. 

Not so much casual, just more traditional in the story telling and structure.

I have not played the middle path yet, so no idea what that is like. But from what i've heard, each game feels like a full game.



Acevil on 14 February 2017
RolStoppable said:
Acevil said:

I felt satisfied by Conquest, I do not want to replay it to see the middle path is my reasoning. It is like ask me to replay a game for just for neutral ending of said game. Given I might want Revelations later in the year, if I feel an real itch to play something tactical to bind me to the next main fire emblem game. 


Also I won't be getting the $20 Zelda expansion until after winter when i do know what it is. 

What are you even talking about? Revelation is not Conquest with a different ending slapped on it.

Fire Emblem Fates' first five chapters are always the same, then the game branches off in three paths of 22 chapters that either feature different maps or rearranged familiar maps (different starting points, enemy formations, objectives). The optional maps to recruit the children are the same across all three campaigns, but not all of the optional maps are available in each; Revelation is the only campaign that has them all. €20 isn't a bad price for a full Fire Emblem campaign; yes, there are reused parts, but you are also only paying half of the normal price, so there's no overcharging here.

I don't necessarily have the biggest issue over price by the way, Just so we are clear. I just do not really want to revisit the world, and to me nothing truthfully is offered that I felt like I should revisit this world either if that makes sense. To me conquest was enough of that world. Given we are getting a bit off topic, if you want to scold me, you can on my wall.



 

NobleTeam360 on 14 February 2017

A new hard mode.... shouldn't that be free?



irstupid on 14 February 2017
NobleTeam360 said:
A new hard mode.... shouldn't that be free?

Should be. Heck, they shoudl do what Witcher 3 did.

Label the Story/Dungeon thing in holiday as an EXPANSION for $20.

Then have the rest just be free dlc given throughout the year until the expansion comes out.

That's essentially what this is, just for some reason they locked the free dlc behind an expansion paywall. Everything before the holiday expansion is not worth paying for and should be free. They know that, thus why they don't let you split up the expansion pass price. The expansion in holiday season is worth $20 to them and they will charge it that regardlss if any of the other stuff was part of it or not.



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Acevil on 14 February 2017
irstupid said:
NobleTeam360 said:
A new hard mode.... shouldn't that be free?

Should be. Heck, they shoudl do what Witcher 3 did.

Label the Story/Dungeon thing in holiday as an EXPANSION for $20.

Then have the rest just be free dlc given throughout the year until the expansion comes out.

That's essentially what this is, just for some reason they locked the free dlc behind an expansion paywall. Everything before the holiday expansion is not worth paying for and should be free. They know that, thus why they don't let you split up the expansion pass price. The expansion in holiday season is worth $20 to them and they will charge it that regardlss if any of the other stuff was part of it or not.

I actually wish they was the method forward as well, the Witcher 3 showed how to do DLC correctly, but no company seems to follow good practice DLC. 



 

irstupid on 14 February 2017
Acevil said:
irstupid said:

Should be. Heck, they shoudl do what Witcher 3 did.

Label the Story/Dungeon thing in holiday as an EXPANSION for $20.

Then have the rest just be free dlc given throughout the year until the expansion comes out.

That's essentially what this is, just for some reason they locked the free dlc behind an expansion paywall. Everything before the holiday expansion is not worth paying for and should be free. They know that, thus why they don't let you split up the expansion pass price. The expansion in holiday season is worth $20 to them and they will charge it that regardlss if any of the other stuff was part of it or not.

I actually wish they was the method forward as well, the Witcher 3 showed how to do DLC correctly, but no company seems to follow good practice DLC. 

Yea it's annoying and why my favorite dev is CDProjekt Red. They did it right. They rewarded people for buying their game, not for buying their expansion pass.

Nintendo is doing it backwards. They are rewarding people for buying their expansion pass.

Really feels like the pre-holiday dlc is just pre-order bonus for teh expansion pass. And I dispise pre-order bonuses/store bonuses/ect.



Goodnightmoon on 14 February 2017
Acevil said:
irstupid said:

Should be. Heck, they shoudl do what Witcher 3 did.

Label the Story/Dungeon thing in holiday as an EXPANSION for $20.

Then have the rest just be free dlc given throughout the year until the expansion comes out.

That's essentially what this is, just for some reason they locked the free dlc behind an expansion paywall. Everything before the holiday expansion is not worth paying for and should be free. They know that, thus why they don't let you split up the expansion pass price. The expansion in holiday season is worth $20 to them and they will charge it that regardlss if any of the other stuff was part of it or not.

I actually wish they was the method forward as well, the Witcher 3 showed how to do DLC correctly, but no company seems to follow good practice DLC. 

So wait, if they give you this DLC for the same price but with less content then is suddlenly good Dlc, what kind of logic is that? Also, no other company does Dlc right? And what happens with Mk8 and Hyrule Warriors?

I don't know why everybody takes for granted this will be just a typical "hard" mode when it can be a survival or super hard mirrored mode or something like that and still have a hard mode included with the game once you finish it.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 14 February 2017

Welp, it was bound to happen eventually considering other Nintendo titles got dlc and what not.

As to whether or not it will be worth the price will be dependent on the content when it comes out. Nintendo has done both good and bad dlc before so it wouldn't surprise me either ways. If one of the dlcs does include zelda in a swimsuit tho... Would buy day 1



                  

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Acevil on 14 February 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Acevil said:

I actually wish they was the method forward as well, the Witcher 3 showed how to do DLC correctly, but no company seems to follow good practice DLC. 

So wait, if they give you this DLC for the same price but with less content then is suddlenly good Dlc, what kind of logic is that? Also, no other company does Dlc right? And what happens with Mk8 and Hyrule Warriors?

I don't know why everybody takes for granted this will be just a typical "hard" mode when it can be a survival or super hard mirrored mode or something like that and still have a hard mode included with the game once you finish it.

Well for every good nintendo DLC like MK8, we have bad ones like Fire Emblem Awakening (which thankfully did not hinder the core game), so I don't think Nintendo is doing it right either. Same with Sony, same with any company I can think of, because for every thing I feel company does right, I think they also have another game where they do it wrong. 

Also yes, I do mean that, because if you make DLC Pack 1 as free reward, more people will like the idea of paying for DLC Pack 2 and yes that would mean $20 bucks would still be $20 bucks. This is exactly what CDProjekt did and wants to do going forward.