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Nautilus said:
Most of your complaints can be basically traced back to one simple point:Its a teaser trailer.Its not meant to be a full reveal or what not.Its just to get the name out there and get people aware of it.Now, wether Nintendo should release snipets of information through the holidays to then finally instead have the reveal in January instead of just holding all back is debetable, but saying that Nintendo is doing the same mistakes is plain wrong.And for all we know, this mystery around the Switch has been working so far, people have been talking nonstop about it, either in a positive light or negative, such as your post.

So, let me get this straight; OP cannot possibly use a 3 minute trailer to make his points but you can make an OP predicting 100 million or more lifetime sales based on the exact same info. Explain to me how that works, exactly.



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bananaking21 said:

My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have?

How powerfull is the NS?  1/3rd of a XB1s (rumors)

What games are on it? enhanced editions of Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, skyrim?, and a new Zelda & Mario (64styled) game(s).

What games can we expect at launch? all of the above imo (guessing)

What the price? Between 249$-299$  (any higher is suicide)

How much storage does it have? probably 64 gb flash storage, and a Micro SD card slot.

Does it support HDR? probably not.

What kind of Network features does it have? No idea.

Does it have virtual console support? without a doubt.

Does it have apps like netflix & youtube? ofcouse. The question is weather it can do other more commonly wanted tablet stuff.

Is the screen touch-screen? probably not (save $ in production cost)

How long is battery life? will vary depending on game, but so far 3hours max is the rumor. There will probably be 3rd party battery packs you can buy.

How big is the screen? 6-7"

Does it support external hard drives? well it has a USB3 and some USB2 ports... probably.

What type of screen does it have? Probably a IPS? (those are cheaper right? and more power effecient)



Nope nope, so much nope.



Some questions are still not answered, sure, but I don't really think Nintendo is necessarily making the same mistakes. The NS will probably be marketed better, the name is much better, it will have an important game at launch ( Zelda) and I don't think it will be too expensive.



                
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bananaking21 said:

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

1. The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

2. The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


3. Nintendo then goes on to say that no new information will be given out until next year. Leaving a plethora amount of crucial questions unanswered. which is simply baffling. so many crucial questions go unanswered. for a system that is just 5 months away from launch, the number of question marks circling around the reveal is outstanding.

Taking a look at PS4 reveal, the shortcomings are astronomical in comparison. First and foremost, Sony took the time to explain their vision for their new console, where they believe the market place is heading, where they would like to take it. they explained what type of gamers the PS4 would appeal to. they explained the PS4's specs, what its capable of and what we can expect, they talked about networking features,  they showed their support for devs, both tripple A and indie, and what comes in between. And most importantly they announced games, and many of them.  Nintendo didnt bother to do any of these things. 

 

4. This takes us to another point, The Games. What types of games are we expected to play on the NS? how can nintendo reveal a new console, without revealing any games for it? and a massive miscommunication blunder accures here. Skyrim and NBA for both shown for the NS, yet it turns out, both games arent even confirmed for the console. how can this be? How can Nintendo show off this console with games that arent even confirmed for the system yet? chances are they are coming to the system, yes. but the fact that nobody can be certain is just mind boggling, and shows a huge in inefficiency at communicating what this system has to offer. whats even more confusing is that they showed off first party games, that arent even confirmed. are mario kart, splatoon and 3D mario new games? are they ports? are they even coming to the system? How can nintendo not have these questions answered?

 

5. With the NS, Nintendo seems to have made a similar issue they did with the WiiU. They are making a system that is trying to appeal to everybody, which in return will appeal to nobody. well obviously not nobody nobody, but you get my point. As Nintendo said, NS is supposed to be their next "Home System". But by making it a hybrid, they have lost a crucial aspect that other home systems have. the fact that its a dedicated home system. adding portability to it means that is will be weaker, it will be less capable, and it will be more expensive than it should be, in exchange for offering a feature that dedicated console gamers dont want or really need. does that ring a bell? if not, ill spill it out for you. its one of the main issues the WiiU had. 


And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 


My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

 

As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

1. - 2. Like you said, it's not really a problem. Even the communication problem is probably non-existent. Nintendo is going to treat it as a home console first and foremost, and so are consumers. Most of the time the console will be docked, in which case it functions exactly like a home console. The portable side is an extra, not the main focus. The console is technically portable but that doesn't mean it should be treated as one.

3. - 4. Remind me again why this matters for the console's success. I'm honestly having a hard time realizing why this matters right now. As long the the information comes in time for consumers to understand the system before its release, I don't see a problem, and I think you don't think a very long time to explain those things. Consumers in general seem to have short memories, so hyping too long beforehand doesn't really help all that much. It helps more with core gamers though, but it seems that Nintendo is once again trying to aim this at the general public instead of mainly core gamers.

5. It worked with Wii, so obviously trying to appeal to everyone is a plausible strategy. It's a difficult one, but it's been proven to be viable and hugely successful if executed correctly. For the home system discussion, see my answer to 1. and 2. Weaker specs don't matter that much to the general public (just look at Wii if you don't believe me otherwise), it's core gamers to whom it really matters (too much, in my opinion). Developers too could have a problem with this, and that's a more difficult case than consumers. If Nintendo can grab the general public with Switch, there won't be too much of a problem, but otherwise having an underpowered system could be a problem from the third-party support point of view. As for the price issue, I'm hoping Nintendo managed to dodge the bullet by focusing all the expensive stuff in the tablet component, instead of dividing it in two like with Wii U (console and controller). It's still a bit of a risk though.

Like always, I think Nintendo's biggest problem will be third-party support and games in general. With increasing development costs, Nintendo relies more and more on third parties, and having an underpowered device doesn't help with that. Then again, Nintendo has struggled with it for a long time, so perhaps targeting core gamers would've been a mistake anyway (although Nintendo should really just learn how to deal with third parties instead of always struggling with them). At least with the general public you don't rely so much on games. Another potential big issue is price. Having a screen in the device really limits the freedom Nintendo has with pricing the product. I think Switch is a pretty big risk, but I'm not sure Nintendo really had much choice. I disagree with most of your points though; I think most of them were irrelevant details in the big picture.



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What a load of hot air



KLAMarine said:
Three months after 2017 comes around should be plenty time to answer any outstanding questions or do you feel this insufficient?

Same thing can be said for other threads (NS will sell 100 million units or many other "unrealistic" / "repetitive" threads). Just because it's a different opinion, you can't expect people shouldn't be expressing their opinion. Peace.



Great OP post.

Two things are extremely worrying:

1. Is the Switch just a tablet you can hook up to your TV (just like you can with all tablets)? If yes, then I feel like I have been deceived. If the Switch is just a handheld console disguised as a hybrid then I'm not buying it.

2. Nintendo PR so far has been a disaster. I agree that you don't reveal a new console and then just shut your mouth. And the only information you add is the extremely confusing claim that the Switch is a home console while the successor to the 3DS is not decided yet. WTH?

You can't announce a console and then not announce any games. You just can't.



Well, it's got to sell at least 20m. The portable mode will have a lower res, frame rate etc. So TV mode is it's strongest attribute, so home console is it's main thing.



daredevil.shark said:
KLAMarine said:
Three months after 2017 comes around should be plenty time to answer any outstanding questions or do you feel this insufficient?

Same thing can be said for other threads (NS will sell 100 million units or many other "unrealistic" / "repetitive" threads). Just because it's a different opinion, you can't expect people shouldn't be expressing their opinion. Peace.

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